On Inconsistency

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Sometimes I hook; I’ll fix that with a more upright backswing and a “follow the yellow brick road” follow-through. Sometimes I shank; same fixes, but with a little bit more “club camera” on the ball (NSA 2). Sometimes I pull. If I’m feeling frisky, I’ll hit a push by accident.

Sometimes I’ll hit one right down main street.

Sometimes I’ll be lights out at the range. Sometimes I’ll shank 10 straight. Sometimes I’ll hit ‘em all fat. Sometimes I’ll pull them. I can usually pull it all together and hit some good shots. I typically leave satisfied.

Sometimes I’ll snap hook my driver – other times I’ll hit a ball that cuts and draws in the same shot. (my friends love that one – it actually moves in two distinct directions). Sometimes I’ll outdrive a couple of the scratch guys that I play with.

I rarely, if ever slice. But now that I’ve written it, I expect the slice parade to start rolling through my game.

Here are the first 5 holes from my round today --
Holes:
1) Pop up drive, good approach shot, chip on, putt, put. Bogey – Par 4

2) Shank 5iron, hit 5 iron from front right of tee box, putt, putt. Bogey - Par 3

3) Good drive, shank’d approach, good approach, flubbed pitch, chip on green, putt, putt, putt. Snowman – Par 4

4) Good drive, ok second shot, miss 100pw into green by about 30 yards, chip, long putt, putt, putt. Double bogey – Par 5

5) Called a “draw” shot to my buddies. Thought about Soft Draw pattern. Hit 165yd 6iron 5 feet from pin. Putt, put – Par! – Par 3
7 over through 5 holes. Story of my life.

I’m starting my third season of actively playing. Playing weekly. Putting in a fair amount of range time. Taking lessons. Trying to get better.

I’m going to see THE MAN in early May, but until I get down to NO, how can I address this inconsistency? I practice all that I can, but I work a ton – time won’t allow anymore. I’ve vowed to work on my short game more. I’m sure I could save tons of strokes there.

Lastly, I surf swing thoughts almost daily. Something that worked for me one round or range session will likely kill me the next time out. A good example was the “hit the ball after the ball” drill. That drill helped me hit some of the best iron and driver shots that I’ve ever hit. Next day, I was shanking it.

Sorry for the disjointed post. Guess I needed to blow off some steam.

How can I kill this inconsistency?

PS – I love golf.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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You are laid off in the downswing and either staying under the sweetspot and swinging very right with either pushes/draws/hooks being the result (which is also why driver tends be ok) and also why you shank a lot.

The pulls come from trying to save the push/shank and you come over and it and get enough of the sweetsot on the ball but you are so over it you pull it.

You need to get some face/path control treatment.
 
Hi Jim

I can identify a lot with Bonesy's comments and am therefore keenly interested in your reply. What do the phrases "laid off in the downswing" and "staying under the sweetspot" mean please?

I suffer from early extension (loss of spine angle?) in the downswing and have just tried getting the hands to pass closer to the body in the forward swing which seems to have resulted in the plane line being less in to out (feels like I'm swinging way left) and produces very good strikes with the irons (although it feels very awkward with the driver).

Does this make any sense?

John
 
"laid off in the downswing" - club being too flat in the downswing, usually cauing more inside-out swing
"under the sweetspot" - getting your no. 3 PP on the underside of the grip (side being closest to the ground). this isnt neccesarily the same as laying the club off, but if you get under the sweetspot, you have opened the face up and the player will usually attempt to compensate (OTT, hang back, throwaway). can also lead to shanks
 
Solution for Inconsistency?

My 2 cents: you've got WAY too many swing thoughts going on. Reading these message boards, it's easy to think that the path to good golf is to do a LOT of technical thinking about the swing. But a lot of the folks here who are doing that, are people who have played a long time, who could easily go out and break 80 without thinking anything at all. Parts of the swing are already natural for them, and I would bet that many of the folks here who post the most technical and sophisticated answers to questions about the swing, are NOT thinking all those thoughts when they play.

For example, it seems to me that for any golfer that hasn't yet reached the stage where they can consistently play bogie golf, they have no business switching from NSA to SD in the middle of the round.

If you're only in your 3rd season of really playing golf, then you just need to fit yourself to one pattern on the range, and take only one swing thought to the course. So, on the range, work on on NSA pattern, staying on top of the sweetspot in the downswing, etc. (as previous replies suggest). But when you go to the course, think only two thoughts: 1) set up properly, 2) make a good pivot. Or, 2) could be "right wrist straight back" or "lag the sweetspot to the ball." It doesn't matter what it is, but it should be one thought.

Your main thought on the course should be trying to play one shot at a time to shoot a good score. Don't think mechanics.

And yes, practice, practice, practice, your short game. If your short game gets good enough, you'll be able to shoot an 85 even with lousy ball-striking. This will take pressure of your long game, and you'll get better.

Good luck!
 

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great post fronesis ... i am all too guilty of trying to get mechanical, instead of just going out and playing the game that brings me enjoyment...

as stated in another post yesterday, i am going back to the basics ...


Duane

My 2 cents: you've got WAY too many swing thoughts going on. Reading these message boards, it's easy to think that the path to good golf is to do a LOT of technical thinking about the swing. But a lot of the folks here who are doing that, are people who have played a long time, who could easily go out and break 80 without thinking anything at all. Parts of the swing are already natural for them, and I would bet that many of the folks here who post the most technical and sophisticated answers to questions about the swing, are NOT thinking all those thoughts when they play.

For example, it seems to me that for any golfer that hasn't yet reached the stage where they can consistently play bogie golf, they have no business switching from NSA to SD in the middle of the round.

If you're only in your 3rd season of really playing golf, then you just need to fit yourself to one pattern on the range, and take only one swing thought to the course. So, on the range, work on on NSA pattern, staying on top of the sweetspot in the downswing, etc. (as previous replies suggest). But when you go to the course, think only two thoughts: 1) set up properly, 2) make a good pivot. Or, 2) could be "right wrist straight back" or "lag the sweetspot to the ball." It doesn't matter what it is, but it should be one thought.

Your main thought on the course should be trying to play one shot at a time to shoot a good score. Don't think mechanics.

And yes, practice, practice, practice, your short game. If your short game gets good enough, you'll be able to shoot an 85 even with lousy ball-striking. This will take pressure of your long game, and you'll get better.

Good luck!
 
Thanks for the help folks. I agree that I am way too technical. I'll try to keep it simple. Also, thanks for keeping the thread alive.
 
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I have the same problem. I think to much, especially on the course
 
Im in my 3rd year of playing golf and have been through all of this. It just takes time. I will say, the best $ I have spent in improving have been at this site and in lessons with Bman. Just wish he lived down the street.
 
Im in my 3rd year of playing golf and have been through all of this. It just takes time. I will say, the best $ I have spent in improving have been at this site and in lessons with Bman. Just wish he lived down the street.

How I wish I am staying down the road from Brian. Unfortunately I live halfway around the world from him. :(

I am struggling with about the same problems that the original poster has, inconsistent hitting on the range, a hook here and mostly starting with slices on the driver that I recover from towards the end of the practice session. Never getting a good round in on the golf course is a norm, mostly due to one problem coming up after another... the story can go on and on.

I have NHA2 and SD in my collection and hopefully I can digest more from these videos to improve further. The videos are well worth the small amount invested. In the meantime, all I can do now, is to go out there and enjoy the outdoors with my buddies on the course.

Regards.
 
The first thing that most people do not understand is that the ability to be consistant is not about perfect technique. Consistency by its very definition is the ability to just doing the same darn thing over and over again. If you keep pushing the ball to the right on every single shot and its staying in a nice scatter range then simply you are not aimed properly. You don't change the machine if its doing its job accurately, you change the aim.

Of course there are technical flaws that don't allow a player to achieve any type of consistant scatter range. Another reason for inconsistency is inability to realise ones limitations. As a general rule, a player should play within his own personal range of accuracy unless he has good reason to do so, however the judgement of this range could change during the round for the better or worse but within limitations. If you rely on having a statistical patch of good fortune by stringing enough shots above your real capacity and you shoot a good round... it was a fluke because you didn't earn the score you got, you just got lucky... however in final round tournament golf you may need to play this way to have a chance.

Another reason for inconsistency is the inability to switch off the monkey voice that talks to you inside your mind. This is especially aimed at technical nuts like me and probably you (since your here on the internet forum). Trust me - he is not doing you any favours whatsoever so tell him to shut up. Make every stroke about the stroke, one shot at a time, staying totally in the present, hitting the ball with conviction, staying totally alert, no blackouts, total consciousness.

I want you to do an experiment for me that will improve your game this minute! Bring your mind as much as you can to the present time, your totally aware of everything that is in your room, the tick of the clock, the sound of the cars outside perhaps...etc just concentrating on everything around you - now start thinking with that monkey voice inside your head that you think is you again - does that awareness vanish? I bet you it did... I rest my case.
 
The first thing that most people do not understand is that the ability to be consistant is not about perfect technique. Consistency by its very definition is the ability to just doing the same darn thing over and over again. If you keep pushing the ball to the right on every single shot and its staying in a nice scatter range then simply you are not aimed properly. You don't change the machine if its doing its job accurately, you change the aim.

Of course there are technical flaws that don't allow a player to achieve any type of consistant scatter range. Another reason for inconsistency is inability to realise ones limitations. As a general rule, a player should play within his own personal range of accuracy unless he has good reason to do so, however the judgement of this range could change during the round for the better or worse but within limitations. If you rely on having a statistical patch of good fortune by stringing enough shots above your real capacity and you shoot a good round... it was a fluke because you didn't earn the score you got, you just got lucky... however in final round tournament golf you may need to play this way to have a chance.

Another reason for inconsistency is the inability to switch off the monkey voice that talks to you inside your mind. This is especially aimed at technical nuts like me and probably you (since your here on the internet forum). Trust me - he is not doing you any favours whatsoever so tell him to shut up. Make every stroke about the stroke, one shot at a time, staying totally in the present, hitting the ball with conviction, staying totally alert, no blackouts, total consciousness.

I want you to do an experiment for me that will improve your game this minute! Bring your mind as much as you can to the present time, your totally aware of everything that is in your room, the tick of the clock, the sound of the cars outside perhaps...etc just concentrating on everything around you - now start thinking with that monkey voice inside your head that you think is you again - does that awareness vanish? I bet you it did... I rest my case.

Points noted and taken. But then when the occasional bout of thin hits, skulls and fat shots comes along, the monkey will start jumping around again. When you are blocking a drive to the right on one hole and hooking the next, it's bound to jump again.

Guess I am not there yet to convince myself that I have the technique in me but that's another subject matter. Thanks though for the input. Will remember to concentrate on the brook, the chirps of the birds and try to block the monkey out the next time I am out there. :)
 
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