opposite effect using twistaway!

[tongzilla]

With my current pattern, I find it easier to draw the ball with a very very slightly bent left wrist at the top. And I find it easier to fade the ball with a mild twistaway move. Isn't the twistaway supposed to make it easier for me to draw/hook it?

There is nothing wrong with this. I am happy with my ball flight. But I'm just interested in hearing some explanations.

Thanks!

 

[fronesis]

Until the experts weigh in, here are some thoughts:

First of all, if you can hit a draw with a bent left wrist at the top, then you must be 'adding twist' on the way down. In other words – and assuming you aren't flipping it – you are getting a full horizontal hinge and closing up the clubface nicely on the way down.

You are probably just doing the opposite when you use twistaway: that is, you have the clubface significantly less closed at the top, so you consciously open it on the way down. As Brian explains in NSA, this is precisely what most slicers do when they first learn twistaway, and so for them the key is learning to hold the twist and lag the sweetspot.

 

[Brian Manzella]

With my current pattern, I find it easier to draw the ball with a very very slightly bent left wrist at the top. And I find it easier to fade the ball with a mild twistaway move. Isn't the twistaway supposed to make it easier for me to draw/hook it?

There is nothing wrong with this. I am happy with my ball flight. But I'm just interested in hearing some explanations.

Thanks!

I was looking for this answer in you signature list of Manzella Responses.

I couldn't find it!....Rats!

Anyhoo, lots of folks fade it with a "Twistaway" finish PREP, because of the added arch in the left wrist.

 

[tongzilla]

I was looking for this answer in you signature list of Manzella Responses.

I couldn't find it!....Rats!

Anyhoo, lots of folks fade it with a "Twistaway" finish PREP, because of the added arch in the left wrist.

so what's the answer?

yes, the twistaway has two components: the arch and the twist. If I do the arch without the twist that will open the clubface.

that's probably why it's better to place the ball a little bit further back in the stance when playing a "FLW draw" (as opposed to an "arch draw" which has to be done with the twist component) so I don't lose the compression.

 

[birdie_man]

I was looking for this answer in you signature list of Manzella Responses.

I couldn't find it!....Rats!

Hehe.....funny........

I actually took Tong's list as a positive........I hope I wasn't being too naive.....

You never know with that wily Leo though......

 

[Brian Manzella]

Rats! —Stan Stopa

Just for clarification sake, I didn't take it as a negative either.

Our Stopa-ized "Rats!" is a fun term around Manzella-World.

 

[Kevin Shields]

so what's the answer?

yes, the twistaway has two components: the arch and the twist. If I do the arch without the twist that will open the clubface.

that's probably why it's better to place the ball a little bit further back in the stance when playing a "FLW draw" (as opposed to an "arch draw" which has to be done with the twist component) so I don't lose the compression.

I need more twist, less arch and more tilt to draw it.