Out to right field

[birdie_man]

I was bashing balls into the bush in my backyard tonight (there's power lines behind my house...bush behind that)....

I started trying to imitate Trevino (twistaway type clubface control)...more tilt at address.....turned the left shoulder to the ball (kinda aimed the back of my left shoulder to right field)....

Then I started trying to hit out to right field and slide my hips crossline....

Man was I ever gettin juice on it....I just kept tryin to really max it out....with having momentum in the backswing and stressing the shaft at the top....the sit down/slide to the right....

...mash....

I dunno how far that 9 iron was goin but it was fun...

...

It feels very powerful going out to the right like that.....rather than sliding with the target line...

Anyone else find this?

I just feel like I get more sit down and more juice in the transition.

Haven't fooled around with that type of swing for a while.....but man....twistaway is good training.

 

[mrodock]

I was bashing balls into the bush in my backyard tonight (there's power lines behind my house...bush behind that)....

I started trying to imitate Trevino (twistaway type clubface control)...more tilt at address.....turned the left shoulder to the ball (kinda aimed the back of my left shoulder to right field)....

Then I started trying to hit out to right field and slide my hips crossline....

Man was I ever gettin juice on it....I just kept tryin to really max it out....with having momentum in the backswing and stressing the shaft at the top....the sit down/slide to the right....

...mash....

I dunno how far that 9 iron was goin but it was fun...

...

It feels very powerful going out to the right like that.....rather than sliding with the target line...

Anyone else find this?

I just feel like I get more sit down and more juice in the transition.

Haven't fooled around with that type of swing for a while.....but man....twistaway is good training.

Dude, can you post a video of it?

 

[birdie_man]

Ya I can do that. I'd like to see what it looks like myself actually.

 

[mrodock]

Very nice! Looking forward to it!

 

[shootin4par]

what do you mean by your hips are going cross line?

 

[Bigwill]

Instead of sliding the hips on a line that is parallel to the plane line, he's sliding his hips on a line that crosses the plane line, out to right field.

 

[shootin4par]

isnt that a recipe for disaster?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

No, i slide cross line when i want to hit a draw. It's easier.

 

[rundmc]

I was bashing balls into the bush in my backyard tonight

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You were doing WHAT???!!???

I'd like to see a video of that too!

 

[Perfect Impact]

Direction of movement of hips and hands can be illusory: if a wheel is sitting atop a ribbon and is aligned with the ribbon, it doesn't matter if it slants a little -- it can still be aligned to roll on the ribbon. In that position the direction of the rim of the wheel rolling to a target" IF VIEWED FROM DIRECTLY ABOVE THE RIBBON will APPEAR to be "to the right" of the target. But if your eyes are directly in line with the top of the wheel looking at the RIBBON, not straight down, you do not see an arc: you see the rim of the wheel as a straight line rolling directly at the target.

To control how MUCH "to the right" or "inside out" your hips and hands need to move, I advise pupils to forget about that concept completely and simply swing your arms and hips on the straight line representing the perspective of view where your "eyes" are atop the wheel looking aslant at the target line.

 

[rundmc]

Direction of movement of hips and hands can be illusory: if a wheel is sitting atop a ribbon and is aligned with the ribbon, it doesn't matter if it slants a little -- it can still be aligned to roll on the ribbon. In that position the direction of the rim of the wheel rolling to a target" IF VIEWED FROM DIRECTLY ABOVE THE RIBBON will APPEAR to be "to the right" of the target. But if your eyes are directly in line with the top of the wheel looking at the RIBBON, not straight down, you do not see an arc: you see the rim of the wheel as a straight line rolling directly at the target.

To control how MUCH "to the right" or "inside out" your hips and hands need to move, I advise pupils to forget about that concept completely and simply swing your arms and hips on the straight line representing the perspective of view where your "eyes" are atop the wheel looking aslant at the target line.

Superb qoute! And you can actually see/imagine the Visual Equivalent you see on the ground by drawing a line parallel to your on-plane Right Forearm. The Visual Equivalent is derived from the INVISIBLE Basic . . . The true Geometric Plane Line (or ribbon in your example).

Mr. K said that the nice thing about using an Angle of Approach procedure is that you can go "out-to-right field" pretty much at any angle. It didn't need to be precise even 45 degrees. So long as the ClubFACE had its square-at-separation relationship to the Target Line.

Very nice post!

I still need your video though Birdie . . . may have to rethink a bird in the hand being worth to in the bush particularly in the freakin' backyard! Plus you filmed it! You should get in "the business."

 

[Brian Manzella]

The facts.

Mr. K said that the nice thing about using an Angle of Approach procedure is that you can go "out-to-right field" pretty much at any angle. It didn't need to be precise even 45 degrees. So long as the ClubFACE had its square-at-separation relationship to the Target Line.

But it'll hook a BUNCH!

 

[rundmc]

But it'll hook a BUNCH!

Witcha . . . but it will not be a dreaded hacker's pull slice.

 

[Perfect Impact]

I still need your video though Birdie . . . may have to rethink a bird in the hand being worth to in the bush particularly in the freakin' backyard! Plus you filmed it! You should get in "the business."

My friend, I had to send my vid cam to Atlanta for repair: when it played back it skipped and slid, producing intermittent choppy reproduction. Bummer.

So when I get it back IT IS NO. 1 ON MY AGENDA to film my swing from a couple angles, a couple clubs, to demonstrate my swing here and in other fora (!!) where there have been specific requests for it. I need to show how the REAL MA swing is NOT the Shauger caricature that I was caught trying to execute prior to MA instruction. And I have also, since that disaster, bought new clubs a couple inches longer: despite their heavy SW I can swing them much better BECAUSE I CAN STAND MORE COMFORTABLY TALLER.

Hope to get the camera back this week; my software to GET it up is now installed...

 

[Brian Manzella]

Whew!

Witcha . . . but it will not be a dreaded hacker's pull slice.

I hate it.

Hate it.

Hate.

Draw a straight line dammit.

Of course, if you CAN'T teach someone to, way out to right field IS better than the hacker pull-slice.

 

[rundmc]

I hate it.

Hate it.

Hate.

Draw a straight line dammit.

Of course, if you CAN'T teach someone to, way out to right field IS better than the hacker pull-slice.

Sorry to get you all worked up. Did you say you didn't like "tracing" at one point?

 

[Brian Manzella]

The Itallian Stallion rides again

Sorry to get you all worked up. Did you say you didn't like "tracing" at one point?

The way it was being refernced or taught or shoved down my...

I like swings that have the CORRECT CLUBHEAD CURVE, something I can see as clear as day WITH MY EYES.

Ask, thebarbartab/leftyNC how good my eyes were when we got indoors and checked his path on the Golftek vs. my observation outside.

20/10

 

[rundmc]

The way it was being refernced or taught or shoved down my...

I like swings that have the CORRECT CLUBHEAD CURVE, something I can see as clear as day WITH MY EYES.

Ask, thebarbartab/leftyNC how good my eyes were when we got indoors and checked his path on the Golftek vs. my observation outside.

20/10

I'm just discussing this stuff so I don't want you to get the impression that I'm knocking you or nothing. I ain't startin' no stuff just trying to understand. I think (and again am not a teacher so y'all know better than me) the cross-line stuff helped me anyway because I was Steering the club toward the green rather than fully DOWN and OUT.

I'm not a 10-5-E guy and agree that the true geometric plane line is going to work for most everybody. But I do think that 10-5-E is a legit procedure for those that want to use it.

I like swings that have the CORRECT CLUBHEAD CURVE, something I can see as clear as day WITH MY EYES.

I particularly like your statement above. I'm a book dork so is what you are describing essentially an Arc of Approach dealie?

When you see the CORRECT CLUBHEAD CURVE, what are you seeing in relation to the Target Line if the ball is back of Low Point?

Thanks boss.

 

[Brian Manzella]

I hate STEERING TOO!

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Steering is ---for all practical purposes---swinging TOO FAR TO THE RIGHT as well.

Think about it.

Approach at 3:25----Leave at 8:25.

Agree?

 

[rundmc]

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Steering is ---for all practical purposes---swinging TOO FAR TO THE RIGHT as well.

Think about it.

Approach at 3:25----Leave at 8:25.

Agree?

Sounds legit to me . . . I don't like Tracing because I think it leads to Steering. I like your clock thing better.

As to Swinging too far right . . . Is that really Steering by Homer's definition? I could be reading this wrong. But sounds like he means the Clubhead ain't gettin' out enough or the Clubface is looking Left too quick (which I reckon if you were going too far right would be Steering?)

3-F-7-A STEERING is the Number One malfunction – The Bent Left Wrist and Clubhead Throwaway. Any or all of the following faults during Impact may need to be adjusted out – holding:

1. the Clubface square to the Target Line
2. the Clubhead on Target Line
3. the Clubhead on a level or upward path
A very successful anti-steering therapy is an exaggerated “inside-out” Cut Shot per 10-5-E. Study 2-J-3, 2-N and 12-3-39. You always Swing along the Plane Line but not always along the Flight Line. So learn to dismiss the Flight Line. Depend on Clubface alignment for direction control (2-J). In fact, learn to execute all Plane Line Variations (10-5) to remove all uncertainty from your Computer (14-0).​

But I'm smelling you loud and clear on the Seeing the Curve and the 3:25 and 8:25 . . . So just so I got it. Your "blur" hits the ball at 3:25 then exits OUT at 8:25 and then the blur goes LEFT pointing at the Plane Line?

Are you a fan of Aiming Point? Is there enough precision with regards to Plane to just take your hands up-plane, load, and just take the load down and out through the ball?