Over the top straight pull a bad thing?

[dsmith2296]

I've been having some luck abandoning the 'inside-aft quadrant with axis tilt' idea and just aiming 20 degrees right and hitting a straight pull. I seem to get more heaviness into the shot that way. Its by no means a weak pull slice, but is a 'heavy' straight pull. My misses are related to the degree of pulling. I know I am ignoring fundamental concepts, but to tell you the truth, I'm consistent this way.

Is this an unforgiveable sin? (I hadn't posted in a while because I did not want to infect the forum with this philosophy)

Archie Swivel

 

[Jared Willerson]

The name of the game is get the ball in the hole...whatever it takes, however, most golfers hit a wall scoring wise because of technique. Don't get me wrong your wall might be a plus 4 handicap. It's all about talent.

I would not completely abandon trying to "do it right", you'll know when you need to make changes.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Oline Browne plays a pull fade and he's pretty good

 

[self-mastery]

Oline Browne plays a pull fade and he's pretty good

Don't most of the Hardy boys play some kind of over the top fade???

I was playing around with hitting a low darting fade by intentionally coming over the top with much success, but sadly to say I can't recreate that pattern any more. Now I just try to swing like an LPGA girl............

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Don't most of the Hardy boys play some kind of over the top fade???

I was playing around with hitting a low darting fade by intentionally coming over the top with much success, but sadly to say I can't recreate that pattern any more. Now I just try to swing like an LPGA girl............

It depends, some play the OTT fade and some play the way swing out to right field draw.

Depends on the player i guess. I saw someone at the range at the western who had the PERFECT Hardy 1 plane backswing but then he "found" the turned shoulder plane and then come right down it perfectly.

 

[hiroshiro]

2-J-2

I've been having some luck abandoning the 'inside-aft quadrant with axis tilt' idea and just aiming 20 degrees right and hitting a straight pull. I seem to get more heaviness into the shot that way. Its by no means a weak pull slice, but is a 'heavy' straight pull. My misses are related to the degree of pulling. I know I am ignoring fundamental concepts, but to tell you the truth, I'm consistent this way.

Is this an unforgiveable sin? (I hadn't posted in a while because I did not want to infect the forum with this philosophy)

Archie Swivel

Take a look at the last paragraph of 2-J-2 (6th ed.), the second-to-last sentence of which reads "And your Apparently Outside-In Impacts may actually be fine Pull Shots."

 

[self-mastery]

Take a look at the last paragraph of 2-J-2 (6th ed.), the second-to-last sentence of which reads "And your Apparently Outside-In Impacts may actually be fine Pull Shots."

Isn't it about time I buy the book???

 

[dsmith2296]

It depends, some play the OTT fade and some play the way swing out to right field draw.

Depends on the player i guess. I saw someone at the range at the western who had the PERFECT Hardy 1 plane backswing but then he "found" the turned shoulder plane and then come right down it perfectly.

Actually, I'm hitting a "double cross" on purpose. Go figure. Why in the heck this is working for me, I'll never know.

 

[David Alford]

The name of the game is get the ball in the hole...whatever it takes, however, most golfers hit a wall scoring wise because of technique. Don't get me wrong your wall might be a plus 4 handicap. It's all about talent.
QUOTE]


I guess after x number of years hitting x number of cruddy shots, the average
golfer gets an inferiority complex that is virtually permanent.

Do you believe in the concept "night and day" if not the physical reality? I sure do...I made it happen and you can, too, if you want something badly enough. Don't ever, ever, ever give up.

Even if you can't be the best, you can be so much more than you think...so, it's "not all about talent". It's more about how you think, what you know, and how you are "programmed".

 

[dsmith2296]

The name of the game is get the ball in the hole...whatever it takes, however, most golfers hit a wall scoring wise because of technique. Don't get me wrong your wall might be a plus 4 handicap. It's all about talent.
QUOTE]


I guess after x number of years hitting x number of cruddy shots, the average
golfer gets an inferiority complex that is virtually permanent.

Do you believe in the concept "night and day" if not the physical reality? I sure do...I made it happen and you can, too, if you want something badly enough. Don't ever, ever, ever give up.

Even if you can't be the best, you can be so much more than you think...so, it's "not all about talent". It's more about how you think, what you know, and how you are "programmed".

Its not like I'm hitting slicing puff balls. I'm hitting 150 yard nine irons and 170 yard seven irons. I just happen to aim right and hit pulls. Actually, my ball striking 'sizzles'-- so I don't look at it as giving up, but going with what works.

I just find it ironic that what I've been looking for has been there the whole time-- I was just fighting it.

Archie

 

[hcw]

I've been having some luck abandoning the 'inside-aft quadrant with axis tilt' idea and just aiming 20 degrees right and hitting a straight pull. I seem to get more heaviness into the shot that way. Its by no means a weak pull slice, but is a 'heavy' straight pull. My misses are related to the degree of pulling. I know I am ignoring fundamental concepts, but to tell you the truth, I'm consistent this way.

Is this an unforgiveable sin? (I hadn't posted in a while because I did not want to infect the forum with this philosophy)

Archie Swivel

howdy,
can you define "just aiming 20 degrees right"?...ie do you mean your feet (and/or hips & shoulders)?...is it your clubface at address (standard or impact fix) or a combo?...hitting or swinging?...TIA!

-hcw

ps- i'm asking b/c after seeing this thread i liked the sound of the described "pull draw" which sounds to me similar to what you are doing and have gotten working

 

[dsmith2296]

howdy,
can you define "just aiming 20 degrees right"?...ie do you mean your feet (and/or hips & shoulders)?...is it your clubface at address (standard or impact fix) or a combo?...hitting or swinging?...TIA!

-hcw

ps- i'm asking b/c after seeing this thread i liked the sound of the described "pull draw" which sounds to me similar to what you are doing and have gotten working

The 20 degrees comment was a random estimation. I aim enough right with my feet and shoulders so that I can pull hard down toward the target comfortably. Played today, hit SW 110 yards and PW 135 yards-- all straight pulls. I'm not advocating this to anyone-- just saying it feels good to me. I don't really swing "out". I can get just as much power from this as most people my size can swinging conventionally or TGM-- unless some would suggest that I should hit my SW or PW farther for someone 5' 10". I used to hit SW 85 and PW 120 and 9-iron 135. So whatever your guys opinions on this, I do hit further this way.

 

[Bigwill]

Quit yer bellyachin', lol !!!

The 20 degrees comment was a random estimation. I aim enough right with my feet and shoulders so that I can pull hard down toward the target comfortably. Played today, hit SW 110 yards and PW 135 yards-- all straight pulls. I'm not advocating this to anyone-- just saying it feels good to me. I don't really swing "out". I can get just as much power from this as most people my size can swinging conventionally or TGM-- unless some would suggest that I should hit my SW or PW farther for someone 5' 10". I used to hit SW 85 and PW 120 and 9-iron 135. So whatever your guys opinions on this, I do hit further this way.

Hey, if you're hitting it long, solid, and at your target, then it's right for you. Don't let any of your playing partners get in your head either ("you're aimed too far right"). Nothing can kill your game quicker than listening to someone who's "trying to help".

 

[hcw]

The 20 degrees comment was a random estimation. I aim enough right with my feet and shoulders so that I can pull hard down toward the target comfortably. Played today, hit SW 110 yards and PW 135 yards-- all straight pulls. I'm not advocating this to anyone-- just saying it feels good to me. I don't really swing "out". I can get just as much power from this as most people my size can swinging conventionally or TGM-- unless some would suggest that I should hit my SW or PW farther for someone 5' 10". I used to hit SW 85 and PW 120 and 9-iron 135. So whatever your guys opinions on this, I do hit further this way.

#1: i agree with BigWill's above comment!
#2: i think what you describe is exactly what the thread on sam snead is talking about and is the set up i'd been trying before i even saw your post (although i would have described it as moving my trail foot back away from the target line or "closing" my stance)
#3: i have the same natural "feels good to me" experience (maybe it's just us under 6' folks as i'm 5' 11'', or was in my younger days
#4: question: are you using a single ball position?
#5: keep hitting 'em good!

-hcw

 

[Perfect Impact]

The closed stance is anatomically terrific in that it positions the torso into a "back faces the hole" more easily for anyone. And THAT is the position that permits the greatest, fastest, best efficiency of the two arms PULLING DOWN as though chopping. We don't swing to a ball sideways: we swing to it from UP to DOWN vertically, while rotation POSITIONS the club for impact in the desired direction. Not to say that rotation isn't another resource; just to say that the downarms pullinig is a neglected resource. Except for Snead and the choppers - conscious or unconscious.

 

[self-mastery]

#1: i agree with BigWill's above comment!
#2: i think what you describe is exactly what the thread on sam snead is talking about and is the set up i'd been trying before i even saw your post (although i would have described it as moving my trail foot back away from the target line or "closing" my stance)
#3: i have the same natural "feels good to me" experience (maybe it's just us under 6' folks as i'm 5' 11'', or was in my younger days
#4: question: are you using a single ball position?
#5: keep hitting 'em good!

-hcw

Hey I'm over 6' and it works well.

 

[Jared Willerson]

The name of the game is get the ball in the hole...whatever it takes, however, most golfers hit a wall scoring wise because of technique. Don't get me wrong your wall might be a plus 4 handicap. It's all about talent.
QUOTE]


I guess after x number of years hitting x number of cruddy shots, the average
golfer gets an inferiority complex that is virtually permanent.

Do you believe in the concept "night and day" if not the physical reality? I sure do...I made it happen and you can, too, if you want something badly enough. Don't ever, ever, ever give up.

Even if you can't be the best, you can be so much more than you think...so, it's "not all about talent". It's more about how you think, what you know, and how you are "programmed".

David, I didn't say it was all about talent. I said most players hit a wall scoring wise because of technique, and was implying that the more "talent" a person was naturally gifted with, their wall (scoring wise) may become different.

I am fully aware it is not all about talent, but it does play a role in how far a person can go with bad technique.

I've never given up and am excited at the possibilities now that I have gotten good information from the likes of the people here and I appreciate it.