Path of hands in downswing

[Jamma]

I remember from one of Brian's videos a picture where the player (face-on) was at the top of his backswing and there was this straight line drawn from his grip towards the ball. I think that was supposed to show the desired path of the hands in downswing. So, the hands should be coming down on straight (2d) line/path instead of curved path.

I'd like to know if this is a valid advice or is it just a good mental picture to keep in mind??

 

[Brian Manzella]

Good question...

The path of the hands on the downswing is ALWAYS CIRCULAR.

If you use the "Aiming Point" technique, you direct the thrust in a straight line at a spot on the ground.

As I will cover in my "Friends" video, this produces a negative torque on the left wrist cock, but this isn't for everyone.

 

[Kevin Shields]

This question is from a science class flunky, but what exactly is a negative torque? And how is that bad for a golf swing?

 

[Brian Manzella]

This question is from a science class flunky, but what exactly is a negative torque? And how is that bad for a golf swing?

Read this: http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9898


It is not "BAD" for some golf swings, in fact, in some swings, it is what makes it work so good.

But in other patterns, and on some shots, it its no good.

 

[golfbulldog]

The path of the hands on the downswing is ALWAYS CIRCULAR.

If you use the "Aiming Point" technique, you direct the thrust in a straight line at a spot on the ground.

As I will cover in my "Friends" video, this produces a negative torque on the left wrist cock, but this isn't for everyone.

Brian, would you say that the aiming point concept is a very simple way of achieving negative wristcock torque without the need for even thinking about it?

If you like, aiming point concept is a "hands-path torque regulating device"... ie. you get negative torque for free if you feel thrust in straight lines?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Hmmm...

Brian, would you say that the aiming point concept is a very simple way of achieving negative wristcock torque without the need for even thinking about it?

Yeah, but...

In DOING the "Aiming Point Concept" to achieve "Negative Wrist Cock Torque," a golfer MIGHT use POSITIVE torque of another Power Generator!

 

[pieman]

i am confused when you say the path of the hands is always circlular and then you mention a straight line thrust. how can you have both things happen? why wouldn't the circular invite a flipping move?

 

[2mongoose]

i am confused when you say the path of the hands is always circlular and then you mention a straight line thrust. how can you have both things happen? why wouldn't the circular invite a flipping move?

Straight line delivery path is just a "feeling" or thought. No matter how hard anyone tries (kinda like a zero shift pattern I guess ) it'll always be more around than down. You'll never actually achieve a straight line delivery.

 

[2mongoose]

Yeah, but...

In DOING the "Aiming Point Concept" to achieve "Negative Wrist Cock Torque," a golfer MIGHT use POSITIVE torque of another Power Generator!

Brian,

For someone who's strived to "get it right" regardless of what's in the book, why all the negative/positive torque stuff? It seems like an odd fit to the Manzella Matrix approach of keeping it in terms everyone can understand?

IMO, it's the sequenced release arguement all over again: great to know it happens (or doesn't depending on who you ask ) but does it help Joe Duffer on the range tomorrow?