Path of the Hands

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In my ongoing quest to improve impact alignments, I recently gave the unhurdleable hurdle a try after seeing a version of it on JG's blog and after watching COFF. I'd never tried it before and found it surprisingly easy to do. Hit about 60 wonderful punch type shots in a row off of the mat, everything from SW-8i. Fast forward to a few days ago at this little 120 yard field where I hit my SW. I was struggling with my pitches and just said do an imaginary version of the drill. It worked wonderfully. So a few questions.

(1) How often do you instructors look at a person's hand path, and what do you look for, and what types of things do you tell higher handicappers? It's just a subject that seems not to get much attention in golfland and maybe one that's underrated.

(2) This feels zilch like anything I've ever been told to do or had tried to do on my own. I didn't feel like I had passive arms/hands or that my pivot did all the work or that my hands had a free ride or that my rt shoulder went in my pocket, but it felt like I just drove my hands straight down at the ball. And it felt ridiculously relaxed, a nice change from the usual contortions and lack of balance I sometimes feel. Is this a case where I just accept this might be my feeling kind of like the Tom Watson, "I feel like I swing over the top."? How many of you have feelings that are backasswards from what you're "supposed to do."?

(3) I haven't tried this out w/ longer clubs and am thinking that maybe being that steep with the hands coming down could be a problem. Any advice for keeping the idea and adapting it to driver, 3w, longer irons, etc.?
 
Hand path very important! (belly and side view) I even love the term.

HP influenced by the rest of the body...

Sharper hip turn brings em more inside, for instance. (all else equal)

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Feels can be a pretty individual thing. Even the definition of feel, I have read, usually differs from person to person. (people perceive what feel is differently, and use it differently)

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Longer clubs you need more axis tilt and generally to come in shallower. (than with the short ones) So basically, you may not want to try to hurdle the same hurdle.

One more thing...generally speaking, this is a good drill to learn to hit down with forward lean...

...but (courtesy of d-plane knowledge)...there may come a time when you would rather have forward lean with minimal downward hit.

http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/...est-thing-ever-secret-tour-quality-shots.html
 
Doing the Opposite

I'm also finding it not so difficult to change my hand path, but very difficult to get right. I've always used the turned shoulder plane, sending my hands straight at the ball from the top then flipping at the bottom to square the club. I can't seem to ditch the flip so I'm gonna try the elbow plane. Keeping my hands closer to my body and feeling the clubhead move outside them (reverse tumble as I understand it) feels completely backasswards to what I'm used to, not to mention the feel of closing the face by some way other than flipping it.
My problems at this early stage include having less zip on the ball and also coming over the top. Guess I'm send the clubhead out a little too early??
 
Definitely important. Intersting to get out the spline tool and look at handpath as well as the clubhead on some swing videos.

There are plenty of discussions on things like "pop-out", a common fault where the hands move out and the clubhead moves in (as opposed to the takeaway with hands in and clubhead out that Brian covers in his Golf Channel audition video).
 
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