I have been incubating and studying the role of the right arm, and especially the right elbow. Without a particular reason, my natural backswing has my trail elbow staying behind the club, so to speak, going behind my body and punching through. A recent lesson due to a recent power failure, my tgm instrucor said my trail elbow is too far behind the hands in the downswing. When I asked for tips on how to get it to go further into my downswing, he just said "jam it in there." Any other less obvious suggestions?
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Feel like you are trying to get your right elbow into your belly button on the downswing (actually, having that feel during the backswing will help you keep it out in front of you, and pointing down too) - the easiest way to ensure you are on plane is to keep the distance between your elbows the same during the swing.
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Your post has helped me also. I have been working on the pitch elbow also after watching lots of the Ben Doyle tape reading various posts and lots of help from some generous TGM guys I have been working on the following drill. This might help you but no doubt has been done before so I DO NOT claim it to be an original .
My right arm throw drill
Find a straight line on the ground eg( white line on soccer field) place a cane/shaft at the plane angle / on to the right side of you. This simulates the plane board effect. Get a small bucket of stones/rocks/golf balls and a chair. Get into a simulated address position with a rock in your hand with the chair behind you ( I got this idea from Patrick/Phillygolfer/Bono ) the trail butt cheak should touch the chair at the top and keep touching the chair for 2" or so when you make the swinger's lateral bump in the downswing creating the second axis tilt. I know that the hitters hip movement is different so if you are a hitter do your hitter's hip move instead. On the backthrow focus on tracking the plane line with your right forearm. On the downthrow focus on your right arm and trail elbow get your trail shoulder moving downplane and as low as you can at release point with the elbow leading the right arm ,the hand lagging and throw stones down the plane line making sure the trail forearm matches up to the shaft as close as you can. Continue rotating and finish as you would in a real golf swing. Fit a bit of real club swinging without a ball to help get the feel in your swing and incubate. Also when you throw keep the right wrist bent back as it should be in the real swing. You will find that the lower the trail shoulder is at release point the more pitch the elbow is and the more it leads and you will throw it so that the rock lands further down the line.
I have found that this drill has really helped me but you must try to make it resemble a real golf swing. I hope this helps you.
Your post has helped me also. I have been working on the pitch elbow also after watching lots of the Ben Doyle tape reading various posts and lots of help from some generous TGM guys I have been working on the following drill. This might help you but no doubt has been done before so I DO NOT claim it to be an original .
My right arm throw drill
Find a straight line on the ground eg( white line on soccer field) place a cane/shaft at the plane angle / on to the right side of you. This simulates the plane board effect. Get a small bucket of stones/rocks/golf balls and a chair. Get into a simulated address position with a rock in your hand with the chair behind you ( I got this idea from Patrick/Phillygolfer/Bono ) the trail butt cheak should touch the chair at the top and keep touching the chair for 2" or so when you make the swinger's lateral bump in the downswing creating the second axis tilt. I know that the hitters hip movement is different so if you are a hitter do your hitter's hip move instead. On the backthrow focus on tracking the plane line with your right forearm. On the downthrow focus on your right arm and trail elbow get your trail shoulder moving downplane and as low as you can at release point with the elbow leading the right arm ,the hand lagging and throw stones down the plane line making sure the trail forearm matches up to the shaft as close as you can. Continue rotating and finish as you would in a real golf swing. Fit a bit of real club swinging without a ball to help get the feel in your swing and incubate. Also when you throw keep the right wrist bent back as it should be in the real swing. You will find that the lower the trail shoulder is at release point the more pitch the elbow is and the more it leads and you will throw it so that the rock lands further down the line.
I have found that this drill has really helped me but you must try to make it resemble a real golf swing. I hope this helps you.
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I am trying to figure out whether or not you WANT a pitch or punch elbow....?
The arm feels like it would in a javelin throw. The elbow leading the hand lagging with explosive pivot thrust when you release. I have also found that I am now float loading for some reason as I am getting the trail elbow into a deeper pitch position at impact. The arm feels light and fast rather than strong and slow.quote:Originally posted by diggerdog
What was your initial new feel as this move worked into your swing?
Brian:
Do the pros vary the degree of pitch with the trail elbow according to the shot needed ? Say going for a maximum pitch for a long drive and something closer to the punch position for small pitch shots or does the elbow position tend to be the same regardless of the shot in hand? Thanks.
Do the pros vary the degree of pitch with the trail elbow according to the shot needed ? Say going for a maximum pitch for a long drive and something closer to the punch position for small pitch shots or does the elbow position tend to be the same regardless of the shot in hand? Thanks.
On the backwsing, instead of moving back, should the right elbow be fold immediately without moving such that at the top the right elbow is in front of the chest, club and hands away from the body?
Brian: on your comment it seems that a pitch or a punch position will have different procedures, can you elaborate more?
Brian: on your comment it seems that a pitch or a punch position will have different procedures, can you elaborate more?
Ryan,
You set your Right Shoulder position at Impact Fix. The lower it is, the more bend you'll have in your Right Elbow. You maintain this elbow bend during the Takeaway; and it doesn't increase until you load Accumulator 2 (when you cock your Left Wrist). The bending and straightening of the Right Elbow cocks and uncocks the Left Wrist--Accumulator 1 loads Accumulator 2. Keep in mind, the Right Elbow should never straighten during the Back Stroke. If it does, you've increased your Radius from where you set it at Impact Fix, which means that to return to the alignments you set at Fix, you're going to have to shorten your Radius (by Bobbing or Dipping) on the Down Stroke.
Starting your Takeaway by loading Accumulator 1 (bending the Right Elbow) is fine. It's called Sweep Loading.
You set your Right Shoulder position at Impact Fix. The lower it is, the more bend you'll have in your Right Elbow. You maintain this elbow bend during the Takeaway; and it doesn't increase until you load Accumulator 2 (when you cock your Left Wrist). The bending and straightening of the Right Elbow cocks and uncocks the Left Wrist--Accumulator 1 loads Accumulator 2. Keep in mind, the Right Elbow should never straighten during the Back Stroke. If it does, you've increased your Radius from where you set it at Impact Fix, which means that to return to the alignments you set at Fix, you're going to have to shorten your Radius (by Bobbing or Dipping) on the Down Stroke.
Starting your Takeaway by loading Accumulator 1 (bending the Right Elbow) is fine. It's called Sweep Loading.
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