Pitch elbow

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Okay, so I've been working the right shoulder down. Now it's real easy to keep the right elbow bent for a long time.

What are the advantages of keeping that pitch elbow buried in the ribs versus not touching the body/ribs. Seems like I tend to bury it, but maybe I shouldn't.

What's the most advantageous or disadvantageous of either?

Thanks, Cliff
 
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Don't you sleep?

Because I'm trying to swing down plane and develop as much trigger delay as possible.

If you are referencing the lesson, I am well on to the 'yellow brick road'. The swing plane I had that day isn't the same as now. My hips are in front as you suggested and club goes left. I believe that day wasn't representive.

Go to bed!!
 
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Brian Manzella

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Lousiville WINS!

I was up late watching Looavul win!

Any way, Pitch Elbow is great for Trigger delay.

Did I SHOW YOU THE "BOUNCE-BACK" drill?
 
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Yeah Cards!!!!

LiftOff; Can you explain? Thanks said:
Broke out the bourbon at the beginning of the 2nd half. That always pulls out a win for us (tough getting up this am though)....

Oh, yeah...Can you please explain???
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tourdeep

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LiftOff said:
If someone knows, don't wait for Brian. Speak up.

Tks, Cliff
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Brian quoted...


BOUNCE BACK DRILL:

Go to the top very carefully....

Take the club to the MAX TRIGGER DELAY POSITION carefully...

go back to the top NORMAL SPEED...

Hit it.
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tourdeep said:
Brian quoted...


BOUNCE BACK DRILL:

Go to the top very carefully....

Take the club to the MAX TRIGGER DELAY POSITION carefully...

go back to the top NORMAL SPEED...

Hit it.
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Thanks Tourdeep. I'll try it tomorrow at the range.
 
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bantamben2

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the pitch basic postion is a much more powerful positon thus its name can you throw a ball from a pitch positon faster than from a punch position you bet, then what about a push positon even slower, same applies to golf.
Almost all the really long smaller guys get in that pitch postion
 
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data... does it support the assumptions?

Taken from the euro PGA website end of season stats page for 2006

top 25 longest drivers

Mean distance = 301.5 yards
Standard deviation = 4.5
mean height = 183 cm
standard deviation = 6.7

Shortest 25 drivers

Mean distance = 269.6 yards
standard deviation = 3.8
mean height = 179.3 cm
standard deviation = 6.6

within the top 25 longest drivers there are 5 players of 178 cm height ( ie. below average height for the bottom 25 longest drivers)

names are :- Andres Romero, Jose-Filipe Lima, Francis Valera, Paul Casey, David Bransdon

add to them 2 names that i know from my part of the Uk who are long ( average over 290 yards) but medium/short height = Robert ROCK and Steve WEBSTER ( 178 and 173 cm respectively)

These guys must be maximising their lever lengths ( assuming that shorter people have , in general, shorter arms..) and their impact conditions... learn something maybe from these facts?

What do their swings look like? anybody know about their pitch position?

PS . there are some massive swedes and south african guys in that top 25!!! WOW ... don't know what they feed them on but it works!:D

The biggest guy in the bottom 25 is Kenneth Ferrie ( 193 cm) averages 270.3 yards.

Is he doing something less advantageous to help in accuracy? he was 38th in fairways hit... so maybe he likes that trade off?
 
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Does utilizing the pitch elbow position affect the rotation of the sweetspot? If I utilize the pitch elbow in slomotion swings it seems to open the clubface more than a punch elbow position. Am I correct? I could use the pitch elbow for more distance but am worried about an open clubface. With a pitch elbow should one focus on twistaway in the downswing? Anyone have a suggestion on how to swing with a pitch elbow position and maintain a square clubface in the downswing?
 
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dodger said:
If I utilize the pitch elbow in slomotion swings it seems to open the clubface more than a punch elbow position.

Anyone have a suggestion on how to swing with a pitch elbow position and maintain a square clubface in the downswing?
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Obivously, I learning..... but.. In a slo-motion swing the face would be open as it's slow motion. As Brian said in one of his video answers, "the face closes it self." (It might be in his MaxTriggerDelay video.) i.e. it's Centrifugal Force closing it. If you're doing slo-mo, there's no CF.

I can attest to it. When the club releases it whips through impact and holding on is all that's happening. No thoughts of closing. It just happens.

You need to practice full motion.
 
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dodger said:
Does utilizing the pitch elbow position affect the rotation of the sweetspot? If I utilize the pitch elbow in slomotion swings it seems to open the clubface more than a punch elbow position. Am I correct? I could use the pitch elbow for more distance but am worried about an open clubface. With a pitch elbow should one focus on twistaway in the downswing? Anyone have a suggestion on how to swing with a pitch elbow position and maintain a square clubface in the downswing?
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Use pitch elbow with a sequenced release and you'll be a-ok!
 
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bantamben2

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There is two things needed to get into the pitch positon on downswing. One is to never really get away from it so on the backswing you dont want your elbow flying out, at the top of your swing you want it pointing more to the ground at your right hip. Then it should be part of your first move as you transfer your weight left get that elbow back at your side then hold on and release all that energy.
 
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I have been working on getting my left hip deeper left at impact before the hips start turning. This creates more axis tilt at impact. I have noticed two other changes on video as a result of this
1 ) More of a pitch than a punch elbow
2) Lower ball flight

One of the drills I have been working on to get the right arm working more properly is making a backswing then taking the left arm off the club and holding the club up the shaft towards the club head end with the right hand. I make sure the shaft is pointing at the base line on plane then make a move with intent to spear the ball with the butt end on the club. When I watched this on video I was getting Hogan /Garcia type trigger delay and I noticed I was automatically moving deep left with my hips into a great looking impact position without trying.
I believe there is a relationship between axis tilt and the amount of pitch elbow you can have . If you have minimal axis tilt at impact it is very difficult to have a pitch elbow but if you have a lot it is easy.
 
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hue said:
I have been working on getting my left hip deeper left at impact before the hips start turning.

Hue: I'm missing the image. Which way is 'left'? How can your hip go more left BEFORE turning? Do you mean bump left? Please use a clock to explain.
I believe there is a relationship between axis tilt and the amount of pitch elbow you can have . If you have minimal axis tilt at impact it is very difficult to have a pitch elbow but if you have a lot it is easy.
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I believe you are correct!
 
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