Pivot Necessary?

[DDL]

I remember Dana Quigley's swing on the Golf Channel archives, and he barely had a backswing, due to a childhood accident. Perhaps his arms only got barely to chest high. Maybe only waist high..don''t exactly remember. Yet he was the longest hitter on the Senior Tour.

Anyone know if he is a hitter or swinger. My guess is hitter, but not sure. I certainly would like to learn a almost zero pivot stroke like his. The pivot is my enemy. My pivot gives me the middle finger every time I introduce it. It's job is to transport the power package, but mine mocks me.

If I am grooving my driver with 12-5-2, I can hit low trajectory draws around 190-195 carry. That is only if I actually swing through. Introduce a pivot, and the calamity begins. More success with irons. Higher trajectory but not much more distance.


What is Dana's secret? I think it is the right Quigley.

 

[Ringer]

Zero pivot would make for Zero #4 accumulator. Without #4 accumulator it HAS to be a hitters proceedure by HK's definition.

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Zero pivot would make for Zero #4 accumulator. Without #4 accumulator it HAS to be a hitters proceedure by HK's definition.

Both Hitters and Swingers can execute a Zero Pivot Stroke utilizing the #4 Accumulator. And all three of the Major Basic Strokes are available to both.

For less than Full Strokes featuring Arm Motion only, Hitters use the Bat Minor Basic Stroke (10-3-K) and Drive the Right Arm but Swingers use the Pull Minor Basic Stroke (10-3-D) to activate the #4 Power Accumulator. The Shoulder Turn may be used without violating the Zero Pivot constraint because it is part of both the Power Package and the Pivot and is hence a Dual Agent (2-H). When the Right Shoulder is used by the Hitter (as a Launching Pad or Backstop for the Driving Right Arm), even in Zero Pivot and less than full Power Strokes, the #4 Power Accumulator has been activated.

 

[DDL]

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Zero pivot would make for Zero #4 accumulator. Without #4 accumulator it HAS to be a hitters proceedure by HK's definition.

Pivot does NOT mean left arm motion. Read HK's 12-5-2, acquired motion. Even basic motion, 12-5-1 without either shoulder turn or pivot , uses accumulator number 4.

 

[Ringer]

hmmmm... holenone - the question I thought was not about whether or not both proceedures utilize accumulator 4.. it thought it was about having 0 pivot still having a swinger's proceedure. I thought accumulator 4 was driven by the pivot.

 

[njmp2]

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

hmmmm... holenone - the question I thought was not about whether or not both proceedures utilize accumulator 4.. it thought it was about having 0 pivot still having a swinger's proceedure. I thought accumulator 4 was driven by the pivot.

Read and learn

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

hmmmm... holenone - the question I thought was not about whether or not both proceedures utilize accumulator 4.. it thought it was about having 0 pivot still having a swinger's proceedure. I thought accumulator 4 was driven by the pivot.

[Bold by Holenone/Yoda.]

Sorry, Ringer, I guess my response was broader than your question.

Try this:

The #4 Accumulator can be driven by the Pivot...

But not in Zero Pivot Strokes.

 

[Ringer]

I was reading somewhere in chapter 6 something about all left arm movement is considered accumulator 4. So I do stand corrected.

And njmp.2.. Let people who actually want to help say something. You didn't contribute a damn thing but more ridicule.

 

[njmp2]

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

I was reading somewhere in chapter 6 something about all left arm movement is considered accumulator 4. So I do stand corrected.

And njmp.2.. Let people who actually want to help say something. You didn't contribute a damn thing but more ridicule.

You sound better as a humble student and id support you in that, by as an arrogant, smug, thinks you know it all so called golf instructor, I won’t. Remember, what you embrace now in the book, you attacked as folly not long ago. Welcome aboard if it's for real. Be humble for a while.

 

[DDL]

Original question was, is Quigley a hitter or swinger?

 

[self-mastery]

whAT IS HE, i like his swing

 

[Mathew]

quote:Originally posted by njmp2

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

I was reading somewhere in chapter 6 something about all left arm movement is considered accumulator 4. So I do stand corrected.

And njmp.2.. Let people who actually want to help say something. You didn't contribute a damn thing but more ridicule.

You sound better as a humble student and id support you in that, by as an arrogant, smug, thinks you know it all so called golf instructor, I won’t. Remember, what you embrace now in the book, you attacked as folly not long ago. Welcome aboard if it's for real. Be humble for a while.

You would do well to take a few weeks away from the forum and relax, see some friends, chill...whatever floats your boat....and come back when you feel more detached.

I know because ive been there, you spend too long at the computer screen and before you know it - the forum becomes out of perspective from the reality and those little skirmishes of crossed words become also out of perspective as you have so demonstrated here which to the reader just sees as juvenile.

 

[cdog]

DDL, the pivot gives most golfers the most trouble.
Dont be afriad of the pivot, learn to use it to your advantage, half the fun in golf is learning and practicing (im seaking for myself of course).
There is great info on the 4 major TGM type boards that can help, enjoy the process!

 

[EaglesNest]

quote:Originally posted by DDL

I remember Dana Quigley's swing on the Golf Channel archives, and he barely had a backswing, due to a childhood accident. Perhaps his arms only got barely to chest high. Maybe only waist high..don''t exactly remember. Yet he was the longest hitter on the Senior Tour.

Anyone know if he is a hitter or swinger. My guess is hitter, but not sure. I certainly would like to learn a almost zero pivot stroke like his. The pivot is my enemy. My pivot gives me the middle finger every time I introduce it. It's job is to transport the power package, but mine mocks me.

If I am grooving my driver with 12-5-2, I can hit low trajectory draws around 190-195 carry. That is only if I actually swing through. Introduce a pivot, and the calamity begins. More success with irons. Higher trajectory but not much more distance.


What is Dana's secret? I think it is the right Quigley.

DDL,
How good is your muscle tone and flexibilty.