pivot

[RyanB]

When the downswing begins, is it a good thought to turn your belly to the target? does that accomplish the same thing as left shoulder up and back. the only reason i ask is i was reading john dalys recent book and he said to hit it with your belly.

also should i be trying to use only my pivot to hit the ball? ive alwayshad the feeling like i use mostly arms. im a decent player, but i am looking to become more consistant and a better player. I sill have problems with laggin the hosel too, but one thing at a time.

any help would be great

 

[welshdentist]

I like to think of using my pivot to get into the position where it brings my club to about waist high, parallel to ground, weight settled on the left foot.

I feel it then stops and the arms, hands and club zip through.

If I think pivot through all the way through the ball I tend to turn out of it and hit it weakly.

For the first "pivot" move down I am presently feeling like I settle weight left and turn shoulders level to that point almost square to target, ready for arms/hands/club to fire through ,firing the right shoulder downplane until I swivel and it pulls me to followthrough.

Everyone feels it differently though

 

[RyanB]

so i should pivot to a point, then feel like everything propels after that? like a reaction?

 

[niblick1]

Brian has a Youtube video on clearing your left side/hitting into a firm left side and snapping your kinetic chain that fits very well with the feeling that "welshdentist" is describing. I think it may be video 7 of his video numbers, but I could be wrong about the number. Anyway, look at it on Youtube.

 

[fronesis]

Episode 4 of the Manzella Show talks about this.

I think the 'feel' depends on the player. What welshdentist describes is very close to what Brian says you want to happen.

For me, however, doing what welshdentist describes would be too little pivot and too much arms. I need to feel like I pivot all the way through the ball - even though I know (and have confirmed on video) that this is not what happens.

I think it depends on where you are to begin with - just as NHA is a perfect pattern for some people because it correct their bad tendencies, and NSA is a perfect pattern for others (like me!).

 

[welshdentist]

I'd agree with you there fronesis, i'm guilty of a bit too much pivot, not enough hands. I think that's where my pulls come from. Although hoping a weblesson with da man himself will confirm/deny this.

It's why everyone has their own feeling as to where it "feels" the pivot "stops" (although it never really does) and the club/hands/arms tear through

Episode 8 hit it home for me.

 

[niblick1]

Episode 8 is the episode I meant. Had a big effect on me as well.

I have no doubt that people need different feels of how, where pivot stops (if at all). I just wasn't really snapping/firming my left side at all and wasn't sequencing well either, so feeling like getting my left side firmed up earlier and than "snapping" was very helpful.

 

[RyanB]

Im a little confused about bending my right wrist back, is that in beginning of backswing or later on?


so from the top i should just think up and back with my left shoulder, and that will deliver the club?

 

[joeparr]

Bump..... on ryan b`s 2 quetions

 

[fronesis]

RyanB, do you own NSA? I think it will answer this question and more.

There are a TON of different ways to start the backswing (Brian talks about this in 'the movie'), but in the NSA pattern, starting back by bending the RW straight back is the idea Brian teaches.

As for your second question, you might want to do a search for the 'perfect pivot' articles, as they would be really helpful.

 

[welshdentist]

http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3675

for Perfect Pivot Part:1 for backswing (coz it sets up downswing)

Youtube vids are better for me for downswing as it it's more visual.

There are a fair few to get through (took fricking ages to convert onto my iPhone) but each one is worth a watch for individual snipptes of truth

Make your way through them all and I think it will answer your question mate. Although one persons left shoulder across back and up could do the same thing as sliding ass along chair ala the Tush Line drill. You need to feel what's right for you.

 

[ThomasTheTank]

When the downswing begins, is it a good thought to turn your belly to the target? does that accomplish the same thing as left shoulder up and back. the only reason i ask is i was reading john dalys recent book and he said to hit it with your belly.

also should i be trying to use only my pivot to hit the ball? ive alwayshad the feeling like i use mostly arms. im a decent player, but i am looking to become more consistant and a better player. I sill have problems with laggin the hosel too, but one thing at a time.

any help would be great

I feel like I turn my chest to the target with a flat left wrist but I would guess any part of your torso would be good (hips, belly, chest etc) just as long as you are turning and not going at it with your hands. I guess it depends on how you best 'feel' it