plane and hinge
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Brian Manzella
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Hinge Action is not a "backswing thing."
But, digger, you would be setting yourself up for Horizontal Hinging.
But, digger, you would be setting yourself up for Horizontal Hinging.
Horizontal - turn (backswing) and roll (throughswing)
90 degrees back, 180 through
it is the 180 through that most don't get - full roll
If, on the other hand you keep the back of your left hand 'verticle' in your horizontal exercise (don't let it 'turn' on the backswing) you have a 'frisbee throw' motion - and this is effectively angled hinge - the hitter's motion
Now - get into golf posture without a club - put your right hand on your left shoulder - and get the same 'frisbee' feel
The hitter's left hand in a nutshell.
See Lynn's 'drills' section for more detail
90 degrees back, 180 through
it is the 180 through that most don't get - full roll
If, on the other hand you keep the back of your left hand 'verticle' in your horizontal exercise (don't let it 'turn' on the backswing) you have a 'frisbee throw' motion - and this is effectively angled hinge - the hitter's motion
Now - get into golf posture without a club - put your right hand on your left shoulder - and get the same 'frisbee' feel
The hitter's left hand in a nutshell.
See Lynn's 'drills' section for more detail
Ummm, no. Hinging keeps the wrist vertical to its associated plane. If you keep your wrist vertical while swinging horizontally as diggerdog described, and then lower the same swing to the angled plane, you'll notice a full roll feel. It seems contradictory, but if you roll your wrist on the horizontal plane and take that same motion to the angled plane, you'll notice the no-roll feel of angled hinging. Strange, but true! 
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quote:Originally posted by TGMfan
Ummm, no. Hinging keeps the wrist vertical to its associated plane. If you keep your wrist vertical while swinging horizontally as diggerdog described, and then lower the same swing to the angled plane, you'll notice a full roll feel. It seems contradictory, but if you roll your wrist on the horizontal plane and take that same motion to the angled plane, you'll notice the no-roll feel of angled hinging. Strange, but true!
I'm not exactly sure what your trying to say here but this link should help digger dog
i'll wait for Brian to add an audio response.
quote:Originally posted by TGMfan
Ummm, no. Hinging keeps the wrist vertical to its associated plane. If you keep your wrist vertical while swinging horizontally as diggerdog described, and then lower the same swing to the angled plane, you'll notice a full roll feel. It seems contradictory, but if you roll your wrist on the horizontal plane and take that same motion to the angled plane, you'll notice the no-roll feel of angled hinging. Strange, but true!
we'll have to agree to disagree on this, probably an issue of trying to explain in text what is very simple to show in person
EdZ,
Matt did a fine explanation of the different hinge motions with two posts in this thread. Actually, I see you were involved in the discussion, too, so you've seen them before.
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=403
The key is that each hinge motion keeps the left wrist vertical (perpendicular) to its associated plane. In the missing post from Yoda that prompted the thread, he was evidently describing Horizontal Hinging by holding his arm straight out in front of his face and moving it back and forth (on a horizontal plane) while keeping his wrist vertical. Since diggerdog's original question specified turning the wrist, i.e. NOT keeping it vertical, the motion he was describing CAN'T be Horizontal Hinging. (BTW, as Matt hints at, the cool thing is to transfer the same MOTION to a different plane. You may notice some unexpected results.)
Matt did a fine explanation of the different hinge motions with two posts in this thread. Actually, I see you were involved in the discussion, too, so you've seen them before.
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=403
The key is that each hinge motion keeps the left wrist vertical (perpendicular) to its associated plane. In the missing post from Yoda that prompted the thread, he was evidently describing Horizontal Hinging by holding his arm straight out in front of his face and moving it back and forth (on a horizontal plane) while keeping his wrist vertical. Since diggerdog's original question specified turning the wrist, i.e. NOT keeping it vertical, the motion he was describing CAN'T be Horizontal Hinging. (BTW, as Matt hints at, the cool thing is to transfer the same MOTION to a different plane. You may notice some unexpected results.)
TGMfan,
Any real "turning" of the left wrist for impact is actually a SWIVEL motion. Swingers swivel into impact and then back up the plane after followthrough, but attempting to create a swivel at impact is what produces flipping clubheads and bent left wrists.
Like you said, each hinge action is keeping the left wrist flat to it's respective plane. Any "extra" roll is NOT the hinge action but instead a disruptive, incorrectly applied SWIVEL.
Any real "turning" of the left wrist for impact is actually a SWIVEL motion. Swingers swivel into impact and then back up the plane after followthrough, but attempting to create a swivel at impact is what produces flipping clubheads and bent left wrists.
Like you said, each hinge action is keeping the left wrist flat to it's respective plane. Any "extra" roll is NOT the hinge action but instead a disruptive, incorrectly applied SWIVEL.
When you move that 'horizontal' motion as you described (out in front of you) down to an angled plane (golf posture), you MUST allow turn/roll, or you no longer are 'horizontal' - keeping the left wrist 'verticle to the ground'.
If you did not 'allow' that turn/roll, you would have angled hinge, when in golf posture.
If you did not 'allow' that turn/roll, you would have angled hinge, when in golf posture.
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