'Plane Line'
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Kevin Shields
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Breed and Todd Anderson presented at Oakmont recently. They were super nice guys and really polished speakers but the tracing the baseline and relative boring swing talk left me a little surprised. When two top teavhers are in in the room you'd expect to get some serious info, not same old same old.
But to be clear, they were really good guys.
But to be clear, they were really good guys.
Matt Bryda
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So how long will the,
it's not about what you say
but how you say it
and what you look like,
be acceptable and going to last?
Matt
it's not about what you say
but how you say it
and what you look like,
be acceptable and going to last?
Matt
gmbtempe
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I don't think TGC wants anything more than very basic.
Damon Lucas
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But 'very basic' in this case means misleading, unhelpful, and bad information, so why defend that? I have heard that Michael Breed is not a dummy, and Todd Anderson just got named TOTY for the PGA, so in the year 2011 when there is a massive amount of good information at the tips of the finger of anybody with half a brain and a modicum of openmindedness, why is this stuff regurgitated?
GeoffDickson
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So what is the correct way of drawing the plane line?
Phil Rosenbaum
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What plane?
gmbtempe
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Probably a good paycheck, hard to guess a man's reasons. I think he knows quite a bit.
Damon Lucas
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But why are you defending him? You know a pretty good amount, so are you by proxy defending him on this point?
gmbtempe
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I was more ripping the golf channel but I guess your right about it being a defense. I don't like his show much.
Phil Rosenbaum
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If he knows......then figure out a way to present it so the audience understands. Until then, falling back on the plane line is just not good enough.
Todd Dugan
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I'm sure you've all seen this excellent video by Leitz. He traces the clubhead arc to give a clear indication of both an in-to-out as well as out-to-in Plane Direction. Guess what that arc would look like if the Plane Direction were NEITHER in-to-out nor out-to-in ( 0* Horizontal Plane Direction)???? Yep, you guessed it, a STRAIGHT LINE.
I'm sorry, what was that about a line being "fairly useless in video analysis"?
I'm not understanding. Seems to me that B-Manz draws a line that is awfully close to the shaft plane here:
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The red line is tracing the path of the sweetspot, or sometimes referred to as the 'sweetspot plane', which is different than the angle of the shaft throughout the swing.
The line up the shaft that Breed referred to as the 'plane line' is not only an non descriptive use of the term, it is also probably the most basic of basic pieces of the golf swing to analyze.
Todd Dugan
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The butt section of the shaft is on the Sweetspot Plane, approaching impact, in a swing of good force. Drawing a line to represent a plane which shares the same vertical angle as the actual Sweetspot Plane, but with a square baseline, is very useful indeed. Drawing a line on the shaft at address, as Breed, Haney, and most others do, is mostly useless.
Totally agree
It's silly when these top instructors call the shaft angle the 'plane line' and use it as a basis for judging whether the swing is 'on plane'
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