Postive AoA and Negative Path?
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Frans@France
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What brand was the launch monitor he was using and do you remember your face angle? Only clubpath does not determine ball flight nor initial direction.
Tom Losinger
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An on plane motion with a postive AoA will have the path going left. Most likely your plane number would have been -3 which is not horrible, but maybe not the most desirable. (Better hold the face off a little for a baby cut.) If the balls were going way right...the face was open OR you were hitting the balls in the heel Or possibly both.
Brian Manzella
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Whoa....
Nothing wrong with a negative path with a Driver.
I average about -4.5 and I hit it a decent distance for my clubhead speed and hot a LOT of fairways.
Nicklaus, -2.5 to -3.5 with a Driver.
Nothing wrong with a negative path with a Driver.
I average about -4.5 and I hit it a decent distance for my clubhead speed and hot a LOT of fairways.
Nicklaus, -2.5 to -3.5 with a Driver.
Are we going to move away from this obsession with hitting up on it with the big dog now? Or is it just that negative AoAs are going to become more acceptable?
Would we also move away from the obsession with low spin?
Brian Manzella
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I try to get 95% of all my students to hit up.
I try to hit up slightly on most shots.
I try to hit up slightly on most shots.
Todd Dugan
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We've all seen the charts that show that as AA and Launch Angle go up, all else the same, carry distance goes up. But roll goes down. So while a 20* LA might yield the farthest overall distance for a soaked fairway, something closer to 10* might allow the most yards on a firm, dry, seaside links. What I want to see is a chart that shows the ideal Launch Angle, Spin Rate, and Attack Angle for the greatest overall distance for a given ball speed under NORMAL ground conditions.
Given the relationship bewteen AoA, path and face is it not absurdly difficult to hit up on a driver when you hit down on everything else. You're going to have to change EVERYTHING to hit it decent. Is this not a bum deal to gain a few yards, especially when you consider that lower ball flights/LAs will be better under certain ground conditions as Todd has just said.
Experiment - Play the ball in front of your left toe and aim 20 yds right of the target.
I am a little confused. I am well on my way to being able to aim straightish and and swing left. I figured out how to do the "magic move" with the club head outside of my hands i.e. tumble. So...all I have to do when putting up negative HSP numbers to hit the driver with a postive angle of attack is ensure a positive angle of attack and aim right. so it is not really a matter of two different swings? As a chronic plane submariner it was pretty easy to hit up on the driver.
Jim Kobylinski
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Not trying to be combative but isn't a proper fitting a blend of both? Isn't that why trackman measures angle of descent to maximize roll? Essentially you give up some carry to maximize the roll on a "normal" fairway.
James Marshall (Hogan1953)
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Brian,
Do you hit to the right of where you're aiming with the driver or to the left?
Do you hit to the right of where you're aiming with the driver or to the left?
Todd Dugan
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Yes, I'm with you, Jim. But I'm talking more about modifying your Attack Angle. Long story short....my ball speed tops out around 157 MPH. Spin rate low 2,000's. I honestly don't know what Attack Angle will give me the longest overall distance (carry + roll). I mean, I can hit up 5*, no problem. But is it really necassary? I mean, why bother increasing your launch angle if its not giving you more overall distance (except to carry obstacles) ?
Jared Willerson
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Doesn't trackman measure landing angle? Wouldn't that measure the maximum amount of carry/roll for distance?
Jim Kobylinski
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agreed, however i like to have most of my distance in carry distance anyway; i'll give up some roll to make sure i'm still in the fairway
adamscot89
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This is where landing angle comes in, which Trackman measures. To get the most distance you have to have a proper landing angle for optimal roll assuming normal ground conditions, to get the correct landing angle you need a high launch angle with low spin that bores out, a high launch angle doesn't mean a steep landing unless you have a bunch of spin, especially considering the ball is sitting on a tee when you hit it. You'll have to ask the experts here, but I think the optimal landing angle for a driver is around 45 degrees
softconsult
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I think my certified Ping fitter at Miles of Golf said optimum was 40 degrees.
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