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wanole

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I understand what they are, but have no clue how to use them or what to do with them. Aren't the just created angles during the swing?
What am I suppose to do with those angles? If I am concentrating on bringing power point #3 to the aiming point, what am I suppose to be focusing on in the power accumulators?

Same with PP's. Do they just happen or are you suppose to create pressure conciously at the PP's?

Sorry if this is vague. I read and read this chapter and understand what they are, but too much fog on how to use them.
 
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quote:Originally posted by wanole

I understand what they are, but have no clue how to use them or what to do with them. Aren't the just created angles during the swing?
What am I suppose to do with those angles? If I am concentrating on bringing power point #3 to the aiming point, what am I suppose to be focusing on in the power accumulators?

Same with PP's. Do they just happen or are you suppose to create pressure conciously at the PP's?

Sorry if this is vague. I read and read this chapter and understand what they are, but too much fog on how to use them.
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You have the idea. "Accumlators" is a power concept and refers to the angles (out of line conditions) that create power when they're released to seek their in-line conditions.

We use the Accumulators to apply force to the Pressure Points which, in turn, applies force to the Clubshaft which, in turn, applies force to the ball.

The Pressure Points monitor Clubhead Lag -- the "Secret of Golf". I think the big deal is to concentrate on Aiming and Thrusting that Clubhead Lag Pressure Point at the ball and/or aiming point.
 
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holenone

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quote:Originally posted by rwh

quote:Originally posted by wanole

I understand what they are, but have no clue how to use them or what to do with them. Aren't the just created angles during the swing?
What am I suppose to do with those angles? If I am concentrating on bringing power point #3 to the aiming point, what am I suppose to be focusing on in the power accumulators?

Same with PP's. Do they just happen or are you suppose to create pressure conciously at the PP's?

Sorry if this is vague. I read and read this chapter and understand what they are, but too much fog on how to use them.
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You have the idea. "Accumlators" is a power concept and refers to the angles (out of line conditions) that create power when they're released to seek their in-line conditions.

We use the Accumulators to apply force to the Pressure Points which, in turn, applies force to the Clubshaft which, in turn, applies force to the ball.

The Pressure Points monitor Clubhead Lag -- the "Secret of Golf". I think the big deal is to concentrate on Aiming and Thrusting that Clubhead Lag Pressure Point at the ball and/or aiming point.

[Bold by Holenone/Yoda.]
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What a great post, Bob. Thanks!

Standing on your shoulders...

Just as the javelin thrower thrusts 'through the tip', we Thrust the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point through the Ball and/or Aiming point.

All the way Down Plane to Both Arms Straight (1-L #15).
 
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EdZ

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Great posts guys. Feeling pressure points and their sequence really elevated my compression greatly - Brian's best article IMO.
 
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quote:Originally posted by rwh

quote:Originally posted by wanole

I understand what they are, but have no clue how to use them or what to do with them. Aren't the just created angles during the swing?
What am I suppose to do with those angles? If I am concentrating on bringing power point #3 to the aiming point, what am I suppose to be focusing on in the power accumulators?

Same with PP's. Do they just happen or are you suppose to create pressure conciously at the PP's?

Sorry if this is vague. I read and read this chapter and understand what they are, but too much fog on how to use them.
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You have the idea. "Accumlators" is a power concept and refers to the angles (out of line conditions) that create power when they're released to seek their in-line conditions.

We use the Accumulators to apply force to the Pressure Points which, in turn, applies force to the Clubshaft which, in turn, applies force to the ball.

The Pressure Points monitor Clubhead Lag -- the "Secret of Golf". I think the big deal is to concentrate on Aiming and Thrusting that Clubhead Lag Pressure Point at the ball and/or aiming point.
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Regarding 6-B-3-0, Accumulator 3 (left hand) should never be out of line. I don't understand...

Continuing with 6-b-3-0, #3 accummulator motion must be accomodated in the impact alignment. Does this refer to the pivot?
 
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palmreader

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Tourdeep, Thak you for starting this discussion...I have a question for the veterans...

Once the accumulator 3 is set at the setup, should we try to maintain the same angle througour the swing, or should accumulator 3 be zeroed out at impact?

6-B-3-0 says Accumulator #3 should never be "out of line" instead it seeks to maintain its radial alignment.... What does it mean? In plain english, does it mean that the angle between shaft and the left forearm should be maintained throughout the swing? Thanks.
 
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rwh

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quote:Originally posted by palmreader

Tourdeep, Thak you for starting this discussion...I have a question for the veterans...

Once the accumulator 3 is set at the setup, should we try to maintain the same angle througour the swing, or should accumulator 3 be zeroed out at impact?

6-B-3-0 says Accumulator #3 should never be "out of line" instead it seeks to maintain its radial alignment.... What does it mean? In plain english, does it mean that the angle between shaft and the left forearm should be maintained throughout the swing? Thanks.
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The #3 Accumultor Angle is defined as the angle, if any, between the left arm and clubshaft when the left wrist is level. If the grip is taken in the palm of the left hand, so that the clubshaft and left arm are in-line when the left wrist is level, then that is a zero #3 Accumulator angle. If the grip is taken with the heel pad on top of the clubshaft with a level wrist, the angle increases.

The angle is whatever it is when the left wrist is level.

In the normal, full swing, the left wrist moves from level to cocked, then back to level and finally to fully uncocked at follow through. Therefore, the actual angle between the left arm and clubshaft is changing, but that is because the wrist is being moved from the level position. Which means, you aren't increasing or decreasing the #3 Accumulator angle.

At some point, hopefuly, near Impact, your left wrist will return to the level position -- only for for an instant -- and at that point the angle between the left arm and clubshaft will be the same as the #3 Accumulator angle you started with.

Basically, unless you lose your grip, you can't increase or decrease the #3 Accumulator angle during the swing.

The big deal isn't really the amount of the #3 Accumulator angle. It's that you know how to roll it.
 
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rwh

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quote:Originally posted by palmreader

Tourdeep, Thak you for starting this discussion...I have a question for the veterans...

Once the accumulator 3 is set at the setup, should we try to maintain the same angle througour the swing, or should accumulator 3 be zeroed out at impact?

6-B-3-0 says Accumulator #3 should never be "out of line" instead it seeks to maintain its radial alignment.... What does it mean? In plain english, does it mean that the angle between shaft and the left forearm should be maintained throughout the swing? Thanks.
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It seeks to maintain its radial alignment with the left arm</u>, i.e., the clubshaft and left arm move together with the same RPM's via a flat left wrist.
 
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palmreader

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It seeks to maintain its radial alignment with the left arm</u>, i.e., the clubshaft and left arm move together with the same RPM's via a flat left wrist.
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Thanks rwh. I got confused with the wording "...seek to maintain its radial laignment.." means it try to zero out the acumulator #3 at impact. Thanks for clarification that the angle at impact (even briefly) be the same as at set up. That only makes sense.
 
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Tom Bartlett

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It's not zeroed out though. Unless the left wrist is uncocked. the club is gripped in the cup of the left hand or vertical hinging is used. The left wrist should be level at impact and uncocked at follow through.
 
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tourdeep

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The wrist action (zero 10-18-G)is a function of accumulator #2, not #3, per 4-D-0...?

The roll assists the hands to square the clubface at impact. Is this the out of line condition as it seeks its inline condition at impact?

And becuse the accumulators are out of line conditions seeking in line conditions, my confusion remains,,,that #3 is always in-line?

Slightly confused here in rainy Seattle (we're going to the Super Bowl....yeeeeehaaaaaaaa!!!! Sorry, Bman and those Aints)....
 
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Tom Bartlett

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quote:Originally posted by tourdeep

The wrist action (zero 10-18-G)is a function of accumulator #2, not #3, per 4-D-0...?

The roll assists the hands to square the clubface at impact. Is this the out of line condition as it seeks its inline condition at impact?

And becuse the accumulators are out of line conditions seeking in line conditions, my confusion remains,,,that #3 is always in-line?

Slightly confused here in rainy Seattle (we're going to the Super Bowl....yeeeeehaaaaaaaa!!!! Sorry, Bman and those Aints)...
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The clubface is not square at impact it is slightly open at impact and square at seperation...unless you verticle hinge then you have no number 3.
 
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rwh

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quote:Originally posted by tourdeep

The wrist action (zero 10-18-G)is a function of accumulator #2, not #3, per 4-D-0...?

The roll assists the hands to square the clubface at impact. Is this the out of line condition as it seeks its inline condition at impact?

And becuse the accumulators are out of line conditions seeking in line conditions, my confusion remains,,,that #3 is always in-line?

Slightly confused here in rainy Seattle (we're going to the Super Bowl....yeeeeehaaaaaaaa!!!! Sorry, Bman and those Aints)....
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Only Accumulators #1, #2 and #4 are out of line conditions seeking an in-line condition. The #3 Accumulator is not out of line.

However, use of the #3 Accumulator does cause the clubhead to move faster through Impact than if there is zero #3.
 
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Tom Bartlett

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No. "Setting up" for zero #3 would entail either gripping the club in the cup of the left hand or keeping the left wrist uncocked (which would be swinging on the left shoulder inclined plane). Hinge action is just what the wrist does from impact to follow through. Vertical hinging would be a reverse roll feel. At impact the back of the left hand would face the target and (I know this is past follow through but, it is for visualization) when the left arm is parallel to the ground after impact it would face directly upward to the sky.
 
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