I have heard this term, "pre turned hips" on this discussion board on a few occasions. I have not heard of this before, and I have been playing this game for 20 or so years. I assume this is addressing with the hips closed at address with shoulders and feet square to target line.I tried this today and hit the ball right of target, no curve just a dead push. I was wondering why would you pre turn the hips? I must admit it felt pretty good on the backswing. I play to a 5 at the moment, played on a Div. I college team 2o years ago, but have had 2 back surgeries so, I am trying to find a way to swing that is easier on the back. Thanks
Pre turned hips--Why?
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Jim Kobylinski
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The reason you pushed the ball is because you setup for "swinging" and pivoted as a "hitter."
A "swinger" who lets the clubhead rotate around the hosel (open in the backswing/close in the follow swing) shifts their weight PARALLEL to their target line. Due to the opening/closing of the face in this type of swing, with ideal contact the ball goes straight. You're allowing centrifugal force to do the work. This allows the face to "fully roll" through impact.
A "hitter" uses more muscular force, literally thrusting (punching) into the ground. They do not let the club open in the backswing. They keep it "looking at the ball" or as "square" as it was at address. Due to the thrusting into the ground, the clubface makes only a "half roll." Due to this you have to "bend" your plane line "out to right field" and shift your hips that way (as you would for a draw swing if your swinging) and adjust for the half roll.
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So, now that you know this i'll answer your question. If you're going to "hit" and have to bend the plane line to "right field" wouldn't it make sense to just start your hips POINTING TO RIGHT FIELD? To make it the easiest way possible to "bend it" that way?
Hopefully, now you'll understand why we address the ball with closed hips. (only for hitting)
A "swinger" who lets the clubhead rotate around the hosel (open in the backswing/close in the follow swing) shifts their weight PARALLEL to their target line. Due to the opening/closing of the face in this type of swing, with ideal contact the ball goes straight. You're allowing centrifugal force to do the work. This allows the face to "fully roll" through impact.
A "hitter" uses more muscular force, literally thrusting (punching) into the ground. They do not let the club open in the backswing. They keep it "looking at the ball" or as "square" as it was at address. Due to the thrusting into the ground, the clubface makes only a "half roll." Due to this you have to "bend" your plane line "out to right field" and shift your hips that way (as you would for a draw swing if your swinging) and adjust for the half roll.
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So, now that you know this i'll answer your question. If you're going to "hit" and have to bend the plane line to "right field" wouldn't it make sense to just start your hips POINTING TO RIGHT FIELD? To make it the easiest way possible to "bend it" that way?
Hopefully, now you'll understand why we address the ball with closed hips. (only for hitting)
birdie_man
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Good call Matt.
It (pl. line) is still straight (not bent)...just stright out to "right field", not straight to your intended target.
It (pl. line) is still straight (not bent)...just stright out to "right field", not straight to your intended target.
Jim Kobylinski
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Thats why i put "bend" in quotes. But i should've clarified. My mistake.
birdie_man
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No biggie man...the rest of the post was gold as usual. It's hard to be TGM-exact all the time.
oztrainee
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More hitting and swinging question:
What I was told about swinging the club (Swinger), is to let the Pivot to do the job for you. Namely allowing the CF to put your hands, arm and wrist to land on all the required sequences.
Swinger - Swinging is relying on the CF and the "design of the club" (Centre of gravity is set aside from the hossle). On swinging the CF straighten the right arm after impact- Theoractically.
OK if that is the case in swinging there should be no right elbow thrust after impact (Manually); if we are relying fully on the CF. According to what Ben told me, you still have to aim the hand on impact. So does it mean that even though on swinging, you still have to know when to do the thrusting manually, and it is impossible to have what we call Automatical release? We know that, we cannot mix Swinging and hitting together, but what confuses me is that I seriously do not think the CF + the weight of the club is powerful enough to pull and extend our right arm, our right elbow extend because, we had trained it to do so in swinging.
What I was told about swinging the club (Swinger), is to let the Pivot to do the job for you. Namely allowing the CF to put your hands, arm and wrist to land on all the required sequences.
Swinger - Swinging is relying on the CF and the "design of the club" (Centre of gravity is set aside from the hossle). On swinging the CF straighten the right arm after impact- Theoractically.
OK if that is the case in swinging there should be no right elbow thrust after impact (Manually); if we are relying fully on the CF. According to what Ben told me, you still have to aim the hand on impact. So does it mean that even though on swinging, you still have to know when to do the thrusting manually, and it is impossible to have what we call Automatical release? We know that, we cannot mix Swinging and hitting together, but what confuses me is that I seriously do not think the CF + the weight of the club is powerful enough to pull and extend our right arm, our right elbow extend because, we had trained it to do so in swinging.
rwh
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There is a difference between "creating" the force and "aiming" the force.
For Swinging procedure, the Right Arm is straightened exclusively by centrifugal force.
For Hitting procedure, the Right Arm is straightened exclusively by a conscious thrusting (straightening) of the Right Arm by the action of the tricep muscles.
For either procedure, the lag is being directed (aimed) at the inside aft quadrant of the ball by the the #1 and/or #3 pressure points.
David Alford
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1) A "hitter" ...They do not let the club open in the backswing. They keep it "looking at the ball" or as "square" as it was at address. "
2) We know that, we cannot mix Swinging and hitting together"
These are not necessarily true.
2) We know that, we cannot mix Swinging and hitting together"
These are not necessarily true.
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