Pulling vs. hooking

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borisinpa

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Hey Brian, just bought "the Movie". Great stuff. It has helped my game tremendously. Before watching it I would hook the ball and most common miss was to hit off the toe of the club.

Anyways I've fixed that problem but I still tend to pull the ball. I make great contact and the ball has a nice flight except that it's left of target.

Any tips?
 
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rsully

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Could you elaborate regading axis tilt . . .

I was just about ready to make the following post when I came across Borisinpa's question.

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For all of the swing doctors our there:

If I make a cognitive decision to hit the ball left of my target, or in other words, left of where my shoulders and lower body are aligned, I will hit the ball long and straight almost every time. AND, I get about 10-15% more distance by pulling through the ball and swinging what has to be an outside-in path.

Yet when I swing directly towards the target I am aligned to, I often push the ball right, unintentionally fade or slice the ball, or pull the ball left anyway, but in any case, the distance is 10-15% less than when I swing to leftfield.

BTW, I can feel my left elbow brush against my ribcage in my downswing, so maybe I am not outside-in?

I have made sure my alignment is spot-on, including my shoulders pointing towards the target at set up. Would bringing the body through to quickly cause this? Leaning left with the body? Often if I really get into one, I can step through the shot with my right foot, if you know what I mean.

How can I take my leftfield distance and direct it at my target?

What gives?

P.S. thanks to Brian for this great website and forum
 
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jbrunk

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rsully said:
I was just about ready to make the following post when I came across Borisinpa's question.

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For all of the swing doctors our there:

If I make a cognitive decision to hit the ball left of my target, or in other words, left of where my shoulders and lower body are aligned, I will hit the ball long and straight almost every time. AND, I get about 10-15% more distance by pulling through the ball and swinging what has to be an outside-in path.

Yet when I swing directly towards the target I am aligned to, I often push the ball right, unintentionally fade or slice the ball, or pull the ball left anyway, but in any case, the distance is 10-15% less than when I swing to leftfield.

BTW, I can feel my left elbow brush against my ribcage in my downswing, so maybe I am not outside-in?

I have made sure my alignment is spot-on, including my shoulders pointing towards the target at set up. Would bringing the body through to quickly cause this? Leaning left with the body? Often if I really get into one, I can step through the shot with my right foot, if you know what I mean.

How can I take my leftfield distance and direct it at my target?

What gives?

P.S. thanks to Brian for this great website and forum
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I would guess that a pull goes further and feels more solid becuase at least the face is more square (or closed in this case) at impact, as opposed to hitting a push or slice, where the face is more open.
 
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borisinpa

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One poster alluded to spine angle being the cause of a pull. Can someone please elaborate. Which axis are they referring to to? Today I was pushing the ball right. Is this also a spine angle issue?

Thanks,
Boris
 
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Jared Willerson

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keep your "bowtie" back while your right shoulder goes down plane (or left shoulder goes up and back) and you will have the proper amount of axis tilt and a lot less pulls.

Pulls FOR ME result when I have made a good back swing and down swing, but I have let my upper body get ahead too much. There is a lot of truth in the saying "keep your head behind the ball"
 
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Brian Manzella

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Well....

You either swing ACROSS YOUR LEFT LEG/HIP or AWAY FROM IT.

Ideally, for maximum distance, you should swing across it.

That's why your PULL goes longer, you SNAP YOUR CHAIN better.

Just aim a little right, ala Sam Snead and Lindsey Gahm.
 
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blehnhard

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Lining Up

How many tour players, past & present, do you think "lined up" perfectly square to their target and could then hit the ball there?

I think Brian would agree that it is almost none. They are all playing some sort of "push" (Trevino) from their body lines or some sort of "pull" (K. Perry) from their body lines.

Bruce
 
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welshdentist

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Would the thought be you shouldn't try to hit it straight being lined "square" to the target?

Or that some peoples square is actually left or right of "perfect alignment" to allow for said push/pull.

Hmmmm, yet more lightbulbs going off above my head.

Why would anyone want to swing in one particular method unless it matches their own ideal pattern.

I reckon this Manzella dude is onto some thing ;)
 
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