pulls

[chino]

First time poster here. I have a question but first I want to say this is a great forum.
I'm sure this has been covered at some time but I'll just state my own problem.

My miss & (95% of the time) is a dead pull. Not a pull-slice. Sometimes the pull will have a slight draw at the end. I have my loft & lie checked about every 6 months . Shallow divots. Rarely get steep.
I have seen the d-plane video a few times & just wanted some thoughts as to whether there could be more to deal with.
I play to 0 - 2 . This miss ranges through the bag. When I miss.....it's a pull.

thoughts?

 

[Brian Manzella]

I do the same thing.

First time poster here. I have a question but first I want to say this is a great forum.
I'm sure this has been covered at some time but I'll just state my own problem.

My miss & (95% of the time) is a dead pull. Not a pull-slice. Sometimes the pull will have a slight draw at the end. I have my loft & lie checked about every 6 months . Shallow divots. Rarely get steep.
I have seen the d-plane video a few times & just wanted some thoughts as to whether there could be more to deal with.
I play to 0 - 2 . This miss ranges through the bag. When I miss.....it's a pull.

thoughts?

Not enough RIGHT SIDE BEND through impact.

 

[Matt 4-L]

Not enough RIGHT SIDE BEND through impact.

Is that a product of not enough axis tilt? Does axis tilt turn into side bend?

 

[chino]

Ahhhhhh............that's something I've been mulling over . I have had lots of upper body going lateral during transition eliminating side bend.

What's the best way (thought) to achieve this ? Hip bump or rear shoulder "down" through transition .

Thanks for your reply . I feel I have some direction now!

 

[siegler]

Ahhhhhh............that's something I've been mulling over . I have had lots of upper body going lateral during transition eliminating side bend.

What's the best way (thought) to achieve this ? Hip bump or rear shoulder "down" through transition .

Thanks for your reply . I feel I have some direction now!

Hogan Power Drill

@ the 2:00 minute mark he shows the mistake you may be making.

 

[birdie_man]

Is that a product of not enough axis tilt? Does axis tilt turn into side bend?

Same deal Matt.

 

[Matt 4-L]

Thanks Paul...I was wondering if there is a difference between maintaining axis tilt versus side bend?

 

[drewyallop]

What's the best way (thought) to achieve this ? Hip bump or rear shoulder "down" through transition .

After trying a bunch of things Brian suggested pulling with the left side. In other words pull with the left oblique muscles (the ones that run down the side of torso) to start the downswing. This worked for me so you might want to give it a try. The obliques are considered part of the "core"; I used to think core was only abdominals but have started working on the obliques more in workouts. Trouble is there few weight training moves that isolate them.

 

[spktho]

After trying a bunch of things Brian suggested pulling with the left side. In other words pull with the left oblique muscles (the ones that run down the side of torso) to start the downswing. This worked for me so you might want to give it a try. The obliques are considered part of the "core"; I used to think core was only abdominals but have started working on the obliques more in workouts. Trouble is there few weight training moves that isolate them.

My analytical thoughts make it difficult to understand the "pulling" of the left side obliques. The action of the left side obliques is to cause right rotation and left lateral bending. So by pulling, do you mean a feeling of "stretching"? I think I get what you are describing, but if you could, please explain a bit more.

 

[niblick1]

I just had a lesson with Brian in which I got exactly the "more right side bend" prescription for the too left path issue. It has been working very well. I have always had a tendency to hit too left, which Brian has tried to help me adjust to in a couple different ways.

I find, thus far, I have to add it gradually starting maybe midway during the downswing and have to avoid "cheating" to get right side bend during the backswing. I am very curious to hear others take on making this move and the timing of it.

I have tried the "hogan hip move" described above, but it doesn't get the same result for me. Not sure why. And the odd thing is the more active right side bend gets me moving my left hip and planting better on the left side, but trying to focus on those things doesn't get me enough right side bend. I definitely feel the move best as stretching the left side (and pinching the fat on the right side). One side benefit about working on this is how it has slowed my transition down some, as I feel like I have a long way to move from backswing to impact and know getting to impact right bend takes some time.

 

[Shot Limit]

I just had a lesson with Brian in which I got exactly the "more right side bend" prescription for the too left path issue. It has been working very well. I have always had a tendency to hit too left, which Brian has tried to help me adjust to in a couple different ways.

I find, thus far, I have to add it gradually starting maybe midway during the downswing and have to avoid "cheating" to get right side bend during the backswing. I am very curious to hear others take on making this move and the timing of it.

I have tried the "hogan hip move" described above, but it doesn't get the same result for me. Not sure why. And the odd thing is the more active right side bend gets me moving my left hip and planting better on the left side, but trying to focus on those things doesn't get me enough right side bend. I definitely feel the move best as stretching the left side (and pinching the fat on the right side). One side benefit about working on this is how it has slowed my transition down some, as I feel like I have a long way to move from backswing to impact and know getting to impact right bend takes some time.

For me, post carry and pre impact, similar to what you are working on niblick.

I have really been trying to avoid any type of timing or choreography for downswing elements, it just makes my head too cloudy. There are just too many variables on the golf course to deal with while also trying to time things perfectly and I'm starting to think maybe I'm just not talented enough for that approach. I've been trying to focus more on feeling the club and sweetspot. I'm going for a more intuitive downswing process believing that I'm doing the right things in the backswing and transition. The jury's still out but for now my results seem to be just as good if not better than a properly executed systematic approach.

 

[Waynkie Doodle]

I have really been trying to avoid any type of timing or choreography for downswing elements, it just makes my head too cloudy. There are just too many variables on the golf course to deal with while also trying to time things perfectly and I'm starting to think maybe I'm just not talented enough for that approach. I've been trying to focus more on feeling the club and sweetspot. I'm going for a more intuitive downswing process believing that I'm doing the right things in the backswing and transition. The jury's still out but for now my results seem to be just as good if not better than a properly executed systematic approach.

This is what I do too, I've always heard it's better to not have too many thoughts going on in the DS and if you focus on the BS and the transition then the rest of the swing just seems to flow so much easier. Results always have a way of speaking for themselves.

 

[niblick1]

For me, post carry and pre impact, similar to what you are working on niblick.

I have really been trying to avoid any type of timing or choreography for downswing elements, it just makes my head too cloudy. There are just too many variables on the golf course to deal with while also trying to time things perfectly and I'm starting to think maybe I'm just not talented enough for that approach. I've been trying to focus more on feeling the club and sweetspot. I'm going for a more intuitive downswing process believing that I'm doing the right things in the backswing and transition. The jury's still out but for now my results seem to be just as good if not better than a properly executed systematic approach.

Yep, I understand. I try to isolate moves (like when to add right bend) on the range but ultimately something doesn't work as part of a my swing if I can't come up with a simple, athletic feeling for what the move is. That's one reason Brian is so good as a teacher -- he tries to help you come up with that simple athletic feel for what he wants you to try to do (for instance, release by feeling like you are throwing a ball so it bounces five feet in front of the golfball might be a feel for a whole set of swing adjustments).

My feel for the bend is picturing more of a Mickelson low trail shoulder throw, for instance. Might work for me but not for someone else trying to do the same thing.

 

[chino]

That's where I am.......I know what I want to do............just looking for that feeling that kicks it.

 

[spktho]

I definitely feel the move best as stretching the left side (and pinching the fat on the right side). One side benefit about working on this is how it has slowed my transition down some, as I feel like I have a long way to move from backswing to impact and know getting to impact right bend takes some time.

The stretching feel of the left side as the club starts down has help me a lot the last couple of range sessions since I saw this. The timing feels strange, but for me I feel like I have to stretch the left side as soon as the hands start down from the top of the back swing. If I do it too soon, I hit it fat or hit a fade. If I do it too late, it's less of a pull. I got the right feel today and hit about 30 5 irons in a row dead straight at my target.