Q: Left wrist action

[bullish]

Hello. I have been an avid lurker in this forum and am very impressed with the knowledge of its contributors. There is no doubt that someone will be able to clarify a problem I am having understanding the actions of the left wrist during the downswing and impact.

I understand the concept of flat left/ bent right wrist at impact. I also understand the role of the swivel in squaring the clubface. However, it seems to me that at some point during all this the angle between the left forearm and club shaft has to straighten or else I look like a tennis player hitting a two-hand backhand.

I know that no conscious manipulation of the hands should occur during the swing, I am just looking for some mental images of this action.

Hopefully this image will illustrate the problem I am having understanding this: I am holding a hammer in my left hand in a standard manner. I am swinging it across my body to hit a nail in a wall to my left. Right before I hit the nail, I try to turn my body, left arm, and left hand to the left in order to hit the nail with the side of the hammer.

Please help or let me know what I need to add to clarify my problem.

Thanks, Scott

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by bullish

Hello. I have been an avid lurker in this forum and am very impressed with the knowledge of its contributors. There is no doubt that someone will be able to clarify a problem I am having understanding the actions of the left wrist during the downswing and impact.

I understand the concept of flat left/ bent right wrist at impact. I also understand the role of the swivel in squaring the clubface. However, it seems to me that at some point during all this the angle between the left forearm and club shaft has to straighten or else I look like a tennis player hitting a two-hand backhand.

I know that no conscious manipulation of the hands should occur during the swing, I am just looking for some mental images of this action.

Hopefully this image will illustrate the problem I am having understanding this: I am holding a hammer in my left hand in a standard manner. I am swinging it across my body to hit a nail in a wall to my left. Right before I hit the nail, I try to turn my body, left arm, and left hand to the left in order to hit the nail with the side of the hammer.

Please help or let me know what I need to add to clarify my problem.

Thanks, Scott

The cocked left wrist is power accumulator #2 and the angle formed by the left wrist and the clubshaft is power accumulator #3. The uncocking of #2 is the slamming of the clubhead in a vertical- up and down motion. And only in a vertical motion. With your hammer it would be a conventional strike of the tool. BUT...
The release of #3 is the rhythm and turning of the now released clubshaft and forearm. This is clubface control and that is why you DO hit the ball with the side of the Hammer in your illustration.

When “Swinging” these uncocking of #2 and the rhythm of #3 are always on the incline plane, so it will be unnerving to feel the sequential release of the power accumulators away from the ball and what will feel ‘sideways’ until the rhythm of #3 and the turning pivot squares the clubface. Homer said that was I tough thing to get into his head- so join the club.
This is why many fail to swing a golf club well because they fail to see or trust the inline shaft position and cross line it early trying to square the clubhead on the whole ride down.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

You need to learn the law of the flail....go to www.lynnblakegolf.com and check out the Tom Tomasello series and watch the free video on the "law of the flail." Should really clear up your confusion on how the left arm and club becomes in-line.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

You need to learn the law of the flail....go to www.lynnblakegolf.com and check out the Tom Tomasello series and watch the free video on the "law of the flail." Should really clear up your confusion on how the left arm and club becomes in-line.

TT's explaination of how the club seeks its in-line condition- the law of the flail- is fine, but his idea of the Hit stoke pattern is just wrong. Lynn hits 99 per cent of the time and he never "stops" is motion. In fact many couldn't tell what stroke pattern he uses by just looking. TT didn't understand "Hitting."

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I never said anything about TT's view of hitting. I don't think its quite right either...i was simply telling him to watch the explanation on the law of the flail to answer his question. Don't get so jumpy.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

I never said anything about TT's view of hitting. I don't think its quite right either...i was simply telling him to watch the explanation on the law of the flail to answer his question. Don't get so jumpy.

Jim, I know you didn't mention Hitting, but TT does on the clip. I was pointing out to bullish not to may attention to his explanation of the Hit stroke. I wasn't being jumpy.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

ok, my mistake....sometimes its hard to type "tone."

 

[bullish]

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

The uncocking of #2 is the slamming of the clubhead in a vertical- up and down motion. And only in a vertical motion. With your hammer it would be a conventional strike of the tool. BUT...
The release of #3 is the rhythm and turning of the now released clubshaft and forearm. This is clubface control and that is why you DO hit the ball with the side of the Hammer in your illustration.

When “Swinging” these uncocking of #2 and the rhythm of #3 are always on the incline plane, so it will be unnerving to feel the sequential release of the power accumulators away from the ball and what will feel ‘sideways’ until the rhythm of #3 and the turning pivot squares the clubface. Homer said that was I tough thing to get into his head- so join the club.
This is why many fail to swing a golf club well because they fail to see or trust the inline shaft position and cross line it early trying to square the clubhead on the whole ride down.

Do these two sentences mean you are describing a hitting motion in the first paragraph and a swinging motion in the second?

Also, please explain

quote: fail to see or trust the inline shaft position and cross line it early trying to square the clubhead on the whole ride down.

Do you mean forward leaning shaft in line w/ left arm? And by 'cross line it' do you mean getting off plane?

Scott

 

[JohhnyThomas1]

Centrifugal force uncocking the left wrist is what releases the angle between the left forearm and club shaft you speak of. The left hand having been turned to the plane and cocked on the backswing uncocks on the plane coming down then rolls. The left wrist cock can also be released at a predetermined point too.

 

[Brian Manzella]

The TOTAL IN-LINE condition of the left arm and club (primary lever assembly) doen't occur until the follow-through (the point were both arms are straight).

Think thumbs up on the backswing....

...then THUMBS DOWN to hit it.

 

[6bee1dee]

bullish:

No, Swing stroke in both paragraphs.

When you uncock the left wrist, it is an up and down motion, vertical. Hold a club in your left hand, cocked at your side and hammer it hard into the ground. Bang, the clubhead hits the ground like a hammer as if the sole was the hammer head. And this is done on the inclined swing plane and will feel as if the uncocking of the left wrist is going to strike the sole of the clubhead. But we hit the ball with the clubface. In a Swingers stroke the release of the power accumulators is sequential, so after the left wrist uncocks (acc#2), the left wrist will roll as the pivot and arms, either by centrifugal force or a manipulation of the hands. This is the rhythm of acc#3.

The failure that I spoke of is due to many golfers wanting to square the clubface throughout the swing, fearing it will never square at impact. With a swingers motion and this is the motion 99.99 per cent of golfers are taught, the clubshaft travels along the target line and then the grip end and clubhead switches directions as the clubhead whirls into impact.

A Hitter uses a cross line (angle) approach of the shaft and the clubface is square as it driven by the trust of the right arm. Two different shaft angles into impact.

I know this will only leave more questions and that is a good thing. It’s a wonderful journey to building a machine.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

ok, my mistake....sometimes its hard to type "tone."

No one's mistake, Jim. I tried typing with smiley faces but even they looked like a smirk, LOL.

I am critical of TT’s ideas on the Hit stroke although I don’t blame him for what he taught at the time of the tape. Before Lynn introduced “Hitting” and showed the world what it does, most believed the Hit stroke was the only way a big barrel chest fat guy could get the clubhead on the ball or just a punch speciality shot. TT is not to blame but I feel his instruction on Hitting needs a warning.

 

[bullish]

quote:Originally posted by brianman

Think thumbs up on the backswing....

...then THUMBS DOWN to hit it.

I like this, but do you mean the direction the thumbs point, or the direction the thumb pads face?

 

[bullish]

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee
the clubshaft travels along the target line and then the grip end and clubhead switches directions as the clubhead whirls into impact.

Is this what is meant by 'swing hard left'?

 

[drewitgolf]

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

bullish:

No, Swing stroke in both paragraphs.

When you uncock the left wrist, it is an up and down motion, vertical. Hold a club in your left hand, cocked at your side and hammer it hard into the ground. Bang, the clubhead hits the ground like a hammer as if the sole was the hammer head. And this is done on the inclined swing plane and will feel as if the uncocking of the left wrist is going to strike the sole of the clubhead. But we hit the ball with the clubface. In a Swingers stroke the release of the power accumulators is sequential, so after the left wrist uncocks (acc#2), the left wrist will roll as the pivot and arms, either by centrifugal force or a manipulation of the hands. This is the rhythm of acc#3.

The failure that I spoke of is due to many golfers wanting to square the clubface throughout the swing, fearing it will never square at impact. With a swingers motion and this is the motion 99.99 per cent of golfers are taught, the clubshaft travels along the target line and then the grip end and clubhead switches directions as the clubhead whirls into impact.

A Hitter uses a cross line (angle) approach of the shaft and the clubface is square as it driven by the trust of the right arm. Two different shaft angles into impact.

I know this will only leave more questions and that is a good thing. It’s a wonderful journey to building a machine.

One additional point, as the left wrist begins its on plane uncocking, it moves from cocked to level then the roll of the #3 accumulator takes place. The left wrist is never fully uncocked until after impact.

 

[bullish]

As the left hand/wrist travel downplane, the left wrist begins to uncock on plane...I got that.

When the rotation begins, doesn't the left hand have to drop below the plane in order to hit the ball properly? Otherwise it seems like we have a little, dare I say, 'Natural Golf' going on.

 

[matt]

quote:Originally posted by bullish

As the left hand/wrist travel downplane, the left wrist begins to uncock on plane...I got that.

When the rotation begins, doesn't the left hand have to drop below the plane in order to hit the ball properly? Otherwise it seems like we have a little, dare I say, 'Natural Golf' going on.

Once you're coming down to the ball correctly, the clubshaft will flip 'end over end' for impact. That is, the butt of the club is pointing at the ball (on-plane), then the clubhead gets below your hands and continues in this on-plane manner. Just focus on driving OR dragging downplane and everything else will work itself out.