Question about Lagging Clubhead Takeaway

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Tball88

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I've been using the lagging clubhead takeaway in conjunction with the soft draw pattern. I only use it with a 7 iron- driver, as anything shorter and sometimes I lag the hosel.

1-2 times a round when using LCT, I'll get a big snapper left. It almost feels as if the club bounces slightly at the top and then passes my hands coming into the ball while rapidly closing.

Any advice on how to avoid this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
 
cmartingolf

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I have some LCT too, but I think people get a little too "Sergio" and drop the club inside. Sergio has the best pivot in the business. Mortals can't do what he does.

I think you may have some LCT but never really set the club on those "drop-in and flip" shots. Pay some attention to it and let us know.
 
cmartingolf

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Hmmm...

I have some LCT. BUT, around the time my left arm is parallel to the ground, my left wrist is cocked and my right wrist is bent.

I have a student, decent player, about a 5 hdcp. He has a LCT and doesn't get it set. It's too random. Although I'm not a fan of this drill, I actually have him preset (ala Ryan Moore) so he understands how the club settles into the hands. Then, I want his LCT to get him to the same feel on a regular shot.

Make sense?
 
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Tball88

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Makes sense,

but I still don't get what is it about not quite getting set, that can cause the occassional snapper left with LCT.

Is it getting a bit too quick and not finishing the back swing and getting fully set, is it over acceleration on the way down, could it be ball position.

The new ball flight rules as per d-plane have really changed my ideas about ball flight. I'm thinking I may have the ball too far forward with some of my clubs, which allows the club too much time to shut down at impact.

Ball flight starts pretty straight and then turns left. It's not starting right and then turning left.

thanks
 
birdie_man

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I hit it so much better with a LCT that at this point I cannot think of ever moving away from it.

I just see it as one of those crucial things.
 
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Kevin Shields

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IMO, if you know how to load it properly, an LCT should move into an earlier wrist set so you can be more aware of the sweetspot. For people that have throwaway, an LCT can move you from wide to narrow with some downcocking.
 
Bronco Billy

Bronco Billy

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Is Your Left Wrist Flat at Parallel? Thanks....

cmartingolf said:
Hmmm...

I have some LCT. BUT, around the time my left arm is parallel to the ground, my left wrist is cocked and my right wrist is bent.
I have a student, decent player, about a 5 hdcp. He has a LCT and doesn't get it set. It's too random. Although I'm not a fan of this drill, I actually have him preset (ala Ryan Moore) so he understands how the club settles into the hands. Then, I want his LCT to get him to the same feel on a regular shot.
Make sense?
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Also I'd Say You Have Negative LCT... Your BackSwing To Parallel as You Described Above... To Me is "Ideal".... Your Trainer Obviously works with Your Own BackSwing.... I'm Bettin with Your BackSwing and a DownSwing Defined by Your Trainer.... That You Have Defined a Nearly "Ideal" GolfSwing... Iron Byron can Feel the Competition.... Have a Great Day.....:)
 
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Tball88 said:
I've been using the lagging clubhead takeaway in conjunction with the soft draw pattern. I only use it with a 7 iron- driver, as anything shorter and sometimes I lag the hosel.

1-2 times a round when using LCT, I'll get a big snapper left. It almost feels as if the club bounces slightly at the top and then passes my hands coming into the ball while rapidly closing.

Any advice on how to avoid this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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Sounds like you could be overdoing the LCT and cocking the left wrist too late.
 
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Brian Manzella

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All you have to do is....

You can LCT all you want.

But, what you are describing is float loading and downstroke assembly.

Never-mind the terms, here is all you ARE doing:

WHen you down cock, you are down DOUBLE cocking and bending the left wrist as well.

SHANK!

All you have to do is....

Down-ARCH, with a little down-TwistAway.
 
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Tball88

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Brian, I can see what you're saying about the double cocking. I guess the snaps are caused by my sensing the face is open due to the bent left wrist, hanging on and flipping at the last second.

I'm going to give this a shot today.

Thanks
 
hp12c

hp12c

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Brian Manzella said:
You can LCT all you want.

But, what you are describing is float loading and downstroke assembly.

Never-mind the terms, here is all you ARE doing:

WHen you down cock, you are down DOUBLE cocking and bending the left wrist as well.

SHANK!

All you have to do is....

Down-ARCH, with a little down-TwistAway.
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Bmanz does it again!!! I know on another thread I said I was not gonna do LCT, but I liked the motion so fluid, so I used google to look fro LCT and here it is, nice! I didnt shank any of my attempt but what Bmanz says sounds good plus I do twistaway anyway so sounds like a marriage made in heaven!!!
 
hp12c

hp12c

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What is Lagging Clubhead Takeaway?
The process of starting the club back from the ball by using the Pivot to pull the arms and thereby the hands FIRST, leaving—or Lagging—the clubhead behind initially.


When golfers employ this procedure, it often sets the stage for Float Loading— the downswing opposite of Lagging Clubhead Takeaway, because since the Pivot pulled the hands back, leaving the clubhead behind on the backswing, the reverse—pulling the hands with the pivot on the downswing leaving the clubhead behind: FLOAT LOADING—is often a natural occurrence.

Ok so if I employ the LCT I can also set the stage for float loading? I feel sorry for the ball!!!
 
hp12c

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went to the range today and was working on this LCT. I was really working on finding a way to dynamically gat the clubhead to lag on the BS. I trid the step on the right foot and move the handle sand the grass and chop it off at the roots, mixed results. I then tried stepping on my left foot and pushing with my left hand on the handle standing the grass up and chopping them off at the roots. When I say step its more of putting my weight on that foot and then push off that foot. when I Pushed off my left foot my body moved to the right then the club moved and got on the BS from there the body moved to the left and then the club moved and bam! TTCOTM well it went long and straight. Yeah not all were like that but the more I let go of control and just trust the process the better the whole swing felt and the ball flight was good!! the real test will be on the course!!:confused:
 
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