Question about transition

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Is the transition from the backswing to the downswing the same for hitters and swingers? Also, in Tomasello's videos, he says that if the arms go up past a certain point, and the right elbow disconnects from the body, that the first move to start the downswing must be to drop the arms and reconnect the right elbow. This move can be seen in Jodie Mudd's swing (no surprise there since he did work with Tomasello some). Ben Hogan started his downswing with his lower body, but his right elbow never really disconnected from his body since he swung on such a flat plane. However, there are many other pros whose arms do go up higher, and the right elbow disconnects from the body, yet they also start the swing with their lower body. When I watch Tiger's swing and Ernie's swing in slow motion, for example, both appear to make their first move down with their lower body. Is there such thing as a preferred method here?
 

Jim Kobylinski

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The hips need to slide a little. How you make them slide is up for you. Some people focus on hips, some focus on a pause, some focus on etc etc. Whatever works.

To see how you must let the elbow fall back to the plane, study Fred Couples swing. He lets the elbow "fly out" but at transition the first move he does is get that elbow back downplane.
 
Visual contact can create a lot of illusions for some people. I strongly believe that, when we are creating a golf swing, we should not focus on the shape that much. Obviously we must understand the mechanics, and try our best to store the feelings.
The main muscle group are there to assist our small muscle groupa to swing the club. The small muscle groups would be the flexible part and allowing us to leverage the speed requirements. A lot of people thinks, the first part of body moves when we walk, would be the leg or the feet. But in fact the answer is the body moves first. (Visual illusions + conceptual illusions).
A lot of people are trying to command their lower body to move first, and end up having the right shoulder coming out of line, as well as losing the lag presure during the swing. Or some people just thinking of swinging the club with the arms and end up triggering the body to transfer power to the arms then swing the arm (The lower body move first, in order to balance the motion.)
Any comments?
 

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quote:Originally posted by oztrainee

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A lot of people thinks, the first part of body moves when we walk, would be the leg or the feet. But in fact the answer is the body moves first. (Visual illusions + conceptual illusions.
Can't argue with that.
quote:A lot of people are trying to command their lower body to move first, and end up having the right shoulder coming out of line, as well as losing the lag presure during the swing.
Pivot-controlled-hands, to me.
quote:Or some people just thinking of swinging the club with the arms and end up triggering the body to transfer power to the arms then swing the arm (The lower body move first, in order to balance the motion.)
Hands-controlled-pivot, I think.
 
Please don't get me wrong, the posting that I made is only applicable to some people. Some Pivot Boy can command their body effectively, and can rotate their lower body as they wish, and not disturbing the upper body motion at all.
But again, is there any true automatically release and pivot driven swing without having to think about our wrist and hand position on


Top swing
Transition
pre-release
impact

If there is true pivot controlled hands swing (pure pivot control), then how can we control the different base of loading

The Float loading, drag load and Lag load

Thanks
 
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