Question about "Up, back, and in"

[Bigwill]

Okay. I was working on getting my swing on plane recently, and it seemed that I needed to go a little higher with my arms than I had been recently (I had gotten them too flat). As a matter of fact, an on plane swing feels like my arms are just lifting straight up right off of the ball. My conclusion was that, since I have a big shoulder turn (I've even worked on decreasing it a bit recently), any feeling of "in" with the arms would put me under plane. So:

1. The pivot is responsible for the "in", and
2. The arms are responsible for the "up "

Are these accurate statements? If so, would it be accurate to also assume that the amount of "up" you should feel is directly related to how much "in" your pivot creates?

 

[hiroshiro]

Okay. I was working on getting my swing on plane recently, and it seemed that I needed to go a little higher with my arms than I had been recently (I had gotten them too flat). As a matter of fact, an on plane swing feels like my arms are just lifting straight up right off of the ball. My conclusion was that, since I have a big shoulder turn (I've even worked on decreasing it a bit recently), any feeling of "in" with the arms would put me under plane. So:

1. The pivot is responsible for the "in", and
2. The arms are responsible for the "up "

Are these accurate statements? If so, would it be accurate to also assume that the amount of "up" you should feel is directly related to how much "in" your pivot creates?

I'd be careful about applying the "feels" of others, as their perceptions may be vastly different from yours. Others may also use different planes than you, which might lead to differences in "feel". As you wrote, for you an on-plane takeaway feels as if the arms are lifting straight up. For others whose "fault" might be a takeaway with too much "up" and not enough "in", an on-plane swing will feel completely different.

Rather than rely on the "feel" of others, why not ingrain what a proper swing feels like to YOU. I use a little plane board to ensure the backstroke is three dimensional and on plane.

And be sure to check your motion from time to time to ensure that the feel you use results in what you are after. Right now the feel of lifting the arms straight up might be just what you need, but over time if it becomes the focus of your swing, you may overdo it and may need to recalibrate the proper feel.

 

[Bill Miracle]

My sensations are EXACTLY...

the same!

Just today, on the range, I was strokin' beautiful shots with short irons. Went to long irons and couldn't connect. I was under plane, over plane....all over.

started doing exactly what you mentioned and everything corrected.

 

[tbyeaton0627]

If your working on your on your swing plane, make sure you practice stage one and zero out PA #3, and work on right forearm fanning (piston action and tracing). Stage one has ZERO PIVOT zero out the shoulders as much as possible

 

[joeparr]

Have you tried up the wall and down the wall? Worked for me...

 

[Brian Manzella]

...would it be accurate to also assume that the amount of "up" you should feel is directly related to how much "in" your pivot creates?

Yup.

Of course, this varies from golfer to golfer.

But, you need to feel UP in the arms one way or another.

There is nothing else that will lift them!

As far as Basic Motion Curriculum helping someone...esp. with an "IN" problem...I wouldn't use it in a million years. The folks we see who have used it are all too far in. Woefully so in many cases. I would say that is one of the major flaws in it, and one of the reasons I developed my own Basic Curriculum — BUILDING BLOCKS, but to be honest, I can teach someone ONE-ON-ONE MUCH FASTER & BETTER OTHER WAYS.

Now, in a large group...BUILDING BLOCKS is KING!!

Will, L I F T !!!!

 

[shootin4par]

I had a problem with the up part until I realized,
as I come back my right hand cups which flattens my left wrist. after that I allow the right forearm to rotate counter clockwise while the elbow bends. I practiced one arm only shots with the right arm by cupping and then rotatiing the right forearm. This stopped my chicken wing. Right arm only swings with zero pivot and a six iron should be able to go over 100 yards easy. maybe something in there will be of benefit. Good luck in the search

 

[Bigwill]

I'd be careful about applying the "feels" of others, as their perceptions may be vastly different from yours. Others may also use different planes than you, which might lead to differences in "feel". As you wrote, for you an on-plane takeaway feels as if the arms are lifting straight up. For others whose "fault" might be a takeaway with too much "up" and not enough "in", an on-plane swing will feel completely different.

Rather than rely on the "feel" of others, why not ingrain what a proper swing feels like to YOU. I use a little plane board to ensure the backstroke is three dimensional and on plane.

And be sure to check your motion from time to time to ensure that the feel you use results in what you are after. Right now the feel of lifting the arms straight up might be just what you need, but over time if it becomes the focus of your swing, you may overdo it and may need to recalibrate the proper feel.

I agree with your post. Not utilizing other's "feels" for my swing is something I had to learn the hard way. I'm one of those people who was a Golf Digest/Golf Magazine swing tip addict, trying to teach myself the game via that route. It finally dawned on me that most golfers weren't built like me, or had my swing faults, and that most of the tips were holding me back, because their general fixes were making me worse. Not only that, but some of the best golfers I know rarely look at that stuff; they instead worked things out on the range and the course, figuring out exactly what works for them. Although I have to admit, the one thing that helped me get rid of my slice and keep my ball on the course was a Leadbetter article. Go figure.

 

[Bigwill]

...Will, L I F T !!!!

Yeah, that seems to be the feel I need to monitor in my swing (shoot, I'm probably be a candidate for a Never Hook Again type pattern, from the sound of it). Although, the left arm seems to work better that the right for me in this regard (lifting); I can feel the left arm flying wedge better. It may be backward, but lifting the right forearm (I am right handed) seems to encourage some tension for me. Could be it would just take some getting used to.

 

[bts]

Responsibility.

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1. The pivot is responsible for the "in", and
2. The arms are responsible for the "up "

Are these accurate statements? If so, would it be accurate to also assume that the amount of "up" you should feel is directly related to how much "in" your pivot creates?

1. The mind is responsible for "turning the shoulders".
2. The pivot is responsible for listening to the mind.
3. The arms are responsible for listening to the pivot and going "back", "in" and "up".
4. The club is responsible for listening to the arms.
5. The ball is responsible for listening to the club.
6. The ball flight is responsible for listening to the impact.
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