Question from new member

[18in2hours]

Hello all. New member here with what might be a dumb question. Prior to joining, I was browsing the forum along with checking out some of Brians videos on youtube and I think I remember him talking about how Jim Hardys (although he didn't mention him by name) one plane backswing with the shoulders "tilted" (left shoulder much lower than the right, for a righty) was not a good way to take the club back. Brian went onto say that at impact the right shoulder being lower than the left was important, but relatively "flat" shoulders at the top was the desired position. I would really like to learn more about this. Unfortunately, I didn't bookmark the page with this info and now cannot find it.

Questions-Is this a teaching of Brians, or am I totally off base and where could I find some more info about it?

If I am remembering all of this correctly, which of Brians DVD's goes into the most detail about it?

Thanks.

Thanks.

 

[Brian Manzella]

It Depends....

Welcome to BrianManzella.com and our forum.

I am NOT a "one pattern" teacher.

A "Stroke or 'Swing' Pattern" is a set of elements that make up a particular golf swing.

Most teachers, are one-pattern teacher. Some teach two.

I have many, and totally customize them when I teach.

Here are a couple of my patterns, that have companion videos, and some of their elements...

Never Slice Again: Neutral Grip, Flat Backswing Shoulder Turn, Double or single shift plane angle variation, visually flat left wrist at the top, full-roll swivel with a flat left wrist.

Never Hook Again: Neutral Grip, Flat Backswing Shoulder Turn, Turning Shoulder plane angle variation, flat left wrist at the top, no-roll swivel with a bent left wrist.

The Soft Draw Pattern: 10°-15° strong grip, Rotated Backswing Shoulder Turn, Double or single shift plane angle variation, soft left wrist at the top, toss and "one last point" swivel destination.

And my "Soft Fade" pattern has an even steeper shoulder turn!

I'd say, if I were interested in a "Flat" shoulder turn, I get NSA2.

 

[18in2hours]

Thanks Brian. One other question, when you say "flat" are you talking about the shoulders being perfectly perpendicular to the ground or the left shoulder being slightly lower than the right at the top of the backswing? My natural tendency is with the left shoulder slightly lower.

 

[birdie_man]

Flat and Rotated are Golfing Machine terms, 18in2.

Briefly (it's late),

Rotated - right shoulder turns at 90 degrees to the spine.

Flat - honestly can't remember how it's defined!

But...

1. Stand upright.

2. Turn your shoulders level to the ground (and, when you are standing up like this, your spine) and to the end of a full backswing. Return to "square."

3. Keep turning back and fourth from your address position to the top of your backswing. Back and fourth...

4. Slowly start bending from the hips until you are in your "golf posture."

Your shoulders will no longer be turning parallel to the ground (or your spine) but you will be executing a "Flat Shoulder Turn."

-Paul

 

[birdie_man]

Hope that little drill works BTW...I was just doing it and I'm not sure about it now. Hopefully you get it though.