Question: In terms of probability, does swinging left produce a greater likelihood...

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Brian Manzella

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[FONT=lucida grande, tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif]Question: In terms of probability, does swinging left produce a greater likelihood of causing the ball to start left than swinging right?[/FONT]

[FONT=lucida grande, tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif]It was posed on a facebook group and I am dying to hear ya'll answers.[/FONT]​
 
magicmarker

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Swinging left as described in the D-plane video...No

Swinging left with the path through impact....Depends

When you say 'start' how many inches, feet, yards of the beginning of the ball flight are we talking about?

The entire game is played with the ball and the clubface at every stop. Without knowing the face angle it is hard to predict anything. It's like predicting what you will shoot if you play the round without using the clubface at all. Who knows, the biggest variable has been removed from the equation so.......it depends...... and it depends on variables that will be quite unpredictable. My guess for now is 'no'.

What club? Is the ball on the ground or on a tee? Can you provide us with any more parameters? I like the question and look forward to the responses.
 
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I have 100 answers....I even have 100 questions....

I'll start.

#1. TrackMan's tour rep has gone on record several times saying that folks hitting straight balls, fades, and draws are nearly 33.3% each.

#2. Don't fades that go in the hole have to start left?

The thread starter had a follow up.....

"Is there something about a club swing left of the target that increases the chance the face will also be pointing left of target?"
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It had better point left of the target if you want the fade to fade to the target.


Geez.....
 
magicmarker

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Brian Manzella said:
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"Is there something about a club swing left of the target that increases the chance the face will also be pointing left of target?"
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It had better point left of the target if you want the fade to fade to the target.


Geez.....
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Yikes

The alternative to that and the following post-shot cringe are enough for me to increase the chance the face will also be pointing left of target.

How are you not on TGC by now? My guess is it's about the money. They have contracts with their current talking faces and the infomercials for all the gimmicky swing improvement devices. Bring in Manzella and admit how TOTALLY WRONG they've all been or continue to pretend the emperors on the payroll are fully clothed.
 
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magicmarker said:
Yikes

How are you not on TGC by now? My guess is it's about the money. They have contracts with their current talking faces and the infomercials for all the gimmicky swing improvement devices. Bring in Manzella and admit how TOTALLY WRONG they've all been or continue to pretend the emperors on the payroll are fully clothed.
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Not our genre, granted, but the overall message is inescapable...
 
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drewyallop

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Concision. A useful word prostituted to ennoble the concept of "dumbing down".

The best of the blogsphere is a powerful antidote to the stupidity of popular media. One of the enduring and most valuable benefits of the Net, in my view.
 
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I think the answer depends on whether you are an elbow planer or a shoulder planer.

People who swing down the shoulder plane or in other words,have a steeper downswing plane,should not swing left otherwise they will start the ball left in my opinion.

Swinging left is for elbow planers.Elbow planers have a natural inside path(almost too much) and they need to swing left through impact to neutralise that and of course to square the face.Elbow planers have more squaring up to do late in the downswing than shoulder planers.

All just my opinions as always.
 
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wulsy

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In the real world there is no way that swinging left increases the likelihood that the ball will start left. In the theoretical world it will.
 
ggsjpc

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Brian,

I have a very strong opinion that we(me, you and the guys) are in complete agreement on this one.

Still is interesting to see the responses.

JG
 
Michael Finney

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Does it increase the probability? - yes.....

does it also increase the probability of "zeroing out" your resultant path with balls on the ground? - yes....

do these types of questions come from guys who swing right in competition? - yes
 
Virtuoso

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Not as evidence but as anecdote: I've worked with a number of college players who, with an iron, have a severe inside path and start the ball left. I'm afraid to tell you the horrifying things their previous instructors were telling them to do to start the ball more to the right.
 
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Brian Manzella

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So, is "swinging left" a crutch, a fault, a band-aid, a knew jerk reaction, a sub-obtimal movement pattern, or just a variation that works beautifully for some?
 
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