REAL Numbers!

[Brian Manzella]

For those who like REAL HARD DATA—I am one of those people—here is some really good HARD DATA from a famous testing lab.

Tour players:

• Hips 40 degrees open at impact.

• Shoulders 17 degree open at impact

• Shoulders 92 degrees closed (turned) at the top

• HEAD MOVEMENT on the backswing - 2.8 inches away from the target

• Pelvis movement TOWARD the target on the downswing 5.5 inches!

Before you ask: "Brian where is the data from?", let me answer:

A world-renowned golf lab. No names please.

But, you have to admit, really interesting and VERY much in line with my research.

 

[tongzilla]

What club are the Tour players using when this data was collected?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Leo.

Best I can figure (but I will try to find out for sure) is a 5-iron.

 

[Martee]

Thats interesting.

Did you get what the Hips were closed at the top of the back stroke?

92* shoulder turn !!!! only if I turn my whole body including feet

The HIP number 5.5 is also very interesting. I noted you said on downswing, do they have much the hips moved away on the back stroke?

 

[shootin4par]

I would say interesting, but those numbers only seem logical

sounds like a perfect pivot to me, I guess the one pro with his head still did not alter the numbers too much

 

[c21heel]

Brian, you are on a roll this week. I'm a numbers kind of guy and these statistics will prove helpful as I look at my impact position on video later today.

I really like the shoulder number as I personally don't think the shoulders should be as open as some others may think.

 

[birdie_man]

Cool.....this must be the average eh.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Ahhh...yup.

I would say interesting, but those numbers only seem logical...sounds like a perfect pivot to me...

I love numbers becuase—well—they like me.

I did 1000's of hours of research to come up with WHAT and HOW I teach.

EVERYTIME I see REAL DATA, I look smarter.

 

[Damon Lucas]

Brian,

Do you have numbers for draws and fades, high and low, and different clubs. Otherwise it could be deemed similiar to the Model Golf group!

 

[Teris10]

A lot of these are dramatically different from weekend golfers, but I'd say that the one I never see is "Hips 40 degrees open at impact." Still amazes me when I see a view back at the golfer up the line and his belt buckle is pointed at the target at impact. I just don't clear enough space for my arms to get there with my hips in that position. Thanks for the info, Brian. A lot of these numbers are posted at Golf-Tec shops as well (and they are with a 5 iron).

 

[StewartBannatyne]

Great stuff Brian. I am new to the site and this is great information to have available!