Reasons for shanking

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tgmer

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I am practicing the hip slide and then hip rotation on the downswing, and many times hit the heel. Even though I can look back in the video I cannot detect the reason why since the difference may be a few cm. My club is coming from inside for sure but when it rotate to hit the ball many times it hit the heel first. Is it due to the hinging, or releasing the #4 too soon such that the club go outside?

Once I try to keep the left arm intect with the chess and feel the club coming more closer (in perpendicular position with the ground) with the body along the toe line and its ok. Is this what I should do?
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People have said otherwise but I still say the shank is caused by an out-in swing, usually a result of an open face. Since you are practicing hip rotation, they may be throwing the club to the outside. I agree with PP#4 and coming from the inside, necessarily with axis tilt
 
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Check to see that you setup with the ball more towards the toe of the clubface because the clubhead is in the air at impact, traveling down and out.

Thus, if you are not 'measured off' properly at address, you will have to pull in the hand at impact a "guess-timated" distance or pull back the left shoulder or bend the left arm. All with perfect precision.

Consistency vanishes.

Just "do it right" and play the ball (slightly) towards the toe.

Might be something you want to check out. HTH
 
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southpaw

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I do not agree that a shank is necessarily caused by an out-in swing. I'm reworking a swing that came too much from the inside, and one of my old habits was to get stuck, then "reach for the ball" with my hands and turn the face down to square it up. This can push your hands outward toward the target line too much, causing a heel hit or a hosel pop. Also, if you start out with too much weight on your heels, during the downswing, you'll try to counterbalance and you'll go out over your toes and bring the heel closer to the ball. Furthermore, if you tend to "stand up" and lose your spine angle in the downswing, you're in effect pushing yourself closer to the ball, which can cause a heel hit.

As for lining it up towards the toe, that's an interesting concept. Often, you'll see some very good players (Mike Weir and Davis Love come to mind) actually lining it up off the heel. Anyone else have thoughts about one or the other?
 
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A severely opened clubface or delayed clubface-closure or both line up the "sweet-spot/swing plane" with the "shaft plane" prior to impact.

You probably focus too much on the "bump-and-turn" of the hips and leave the rest way "behind", a typical "pivot-controlled hands".

I'll focus on the hands and let the rest of the body react.
 
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tgmer

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You probably focus too much on the "bump-and-turn" of the hips.

bts, you might be right, I am concentrate on doing the right pivot to give power to my swing. I just finished training my hands, right now I can feel my whole left hand hit on the ball and then swivel therefore maintaining a flat left wrist. This is in contrast to the other thread that said to concentrate on the right bent wrist to maintain the left flat wrist. Now, I don't know if I am right, concentrate on the left instead. But isn't this still hand controlled pivot? since although I am concentrating on the pivot, I know that my left is flat? This issue has been brought up in the other forum on hand controlled pivot.
 
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I have found that the two biggest culprits in shanking are swinging too far to the inside on the backswing and falling forward on the downswing.

Swinging too far to the inside is easily monitored by making sure that the end of the club that is closest to the ground is pointed at the taget line except when it is parallel to the ground.

You don't have to move your body forward much for the hosel to hit the ball.

To monitor both conditions, make small swings and then gradually lengthen the swing.

What you think you are doing and what you are actually doing are not always the same, so videotape your swing if at all possible.
 
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EdZ

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watch for too much 'wrist roll' in the backswing and/or not getting the right shoulder 'down' on the downswing - often they go together and it is a bad combo. Hit right hand only pitch/chip shots
 
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cherrybarry

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not trying to TJ...

but when I went through the shanks, I thought I was swinging too far from the inside and reaching out, and desperately tried to close the face right at impact, but this was not true. What I felt and what was really happening were not the same. Don't be deceived by the ball flight. The ball often DOES NOT go where the clubhead is going.
 
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southpaw

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That might be so in your case, but I saw my overly inside-out shank swing on video. Quoting Redgoat, there's 4 ways to bring on El Hoselo:

1. Overly outside-in swing.

2. Overly inside-out swing.

3. Stand too close to the ball.

4. Move your hands and/or body closer the ball on the downswing.
 
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quote:Originally posted by tgmer

You probably focus too much on the "bump-and-turn" of the hips.

bts, you might be right, I am concentrate on doing the right pivot to give power to my swing. I just finished training my hands, right now I can feel my whole left hand hit on the ball and then swivel therefore maintaining a flat left wrist. This is in contrast to the other thread that said to concentrate on the right bent wrist to maintain the left flat wrist. Now, I don't know if I am right, concentrate on the left instead. But isn't this still hand controlled pivot? since although I am concentrating on the pivot, I know that my left is flat? This issue has been brought up in the other forum on hand controlled pivot.
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Again, have somebody grab the club firmly on the top of the backswing to mimic the existence/sustaining of "Lag".

You'll be dragged by the "LAG" and feel the swing collapsed/out-of-sync/disconnected by initiating the downswing with the pivot, the "pivot-controlled/following-hands".

In contrast, if you do (pull/swing or push/hit) it with the hands, the rest of the body will react in-sync/connected and "shows" a nice "from-the-ground-up" move, including a beautiful "bump-and-turn" of the hips leading the way. This is, however, a "hands-controlled/reacting-pivot".
 
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Brian Manzella

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The SINGLE solitaty reason for shanking:

The hosel is between the sweetspot and the ball at release point.

There is NO OTHER REASON!!!

..now, how it got to that point...ah....many reasons...
 
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tgmer

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"In contrast, if you do (pull/swing or push/hit) it with the hands" This is the confused part. Brian mentioned never from the top make any move by the hands.
 
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EaglesNest

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

The SINGLE solitaty reason for shanking:

The hosel is between the sweetspot and the ball at release point.

There is NO OTHER REASON!!!

..now, how it got to that point...ah....many reasons...
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Hosel between sweetpot, sounds like a clubface that is way too open at impact and there's probably very little chance the club has been on plane at any stage during the downswing ? I'll have a stab at this and say refer to Brian's no.1 rule "Fix the Clubface first".
 
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