Reigning in the flip

[BrianRVT]

When I first started playing golf I would hit a lot of pushes and slices. I eventually figured out I needed to flip my right wrist over to square up the club face. I thought I had finally figured it out, and played some decent (for me) golf. Hitting straight shots was a monumental improvement of what I was doing before.

Eventually, I started to question why I never took divots and always hit the ball what I thought was too high and short. (My safe 150yrd shot was a 5 iron) That lead me to finding Brian and COFF.

I have worked on developing a no flip swing. But it seams a little clunky to me. Out of 10 shots here is what usually happens :

1-2 times - Great shot (what keeps me going and trying to get this down, solid divot and great ball flight, great distance)
3-4 times - Thin shot or good pick (no divot, topped)
4-6 times - Heavy fat shot (moves a small bit of earth into orbit, requires cleaning club. Divot starting 2-3 behind ball.)

The fat shots are really troublesome as I can't play when I'm hitting like that. To the best of my understanding, the fat shot is caused by either still flipping the club still or not creating enough distance between the left shoulder and ball.

I think my biggest question is when should it feel like the right arm crosses over the left? I feel like to get the forward shaft lean and descending strike the arms don't roll over until the club is at say 4 o'clock. Almost as I am preventing rotation to keep the forward shaft lean.

(For reference my old swing the roll over felt like it started just past 6 o'clock. The clock is if you where facing me, with a 6 to 11 backswing)

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[ej20]

It sounds like you are still flipping.The 1 or 2 shots you are taking a divot is where you have timed your flip.

When you flip,you are adding loft to the clubface.So it stands to reason that if you want to stop flipping you need to subtract loft.Put the ball back in your stance and start hitting punch shots like you are trying to hit under a low branch.Then gradually move the ball forward but still maintaining that low punch shot feeling.

Now i might cop some flack for saying this but I think a little flip is unavoidable for people with low clubhead speed.Delofting the clubface for these players will not achieve a high enough ballflight especially with the longer clubs.

 

[Burner]

Now i might cop some flack for saying this but I think a little flip is unavoidable for people with low clubhead speed.Delofting the clubface for these players will not achieve a high enough ballflight especially with the longer clubs.

No flack here - but a better solution would be to put something else in the bag rather than a flip in the hands.

Guys with low swing speeds can get real advantages out of 9 and 7 woods, hybrids, etc, when compared to their results with 6, 5, 4 and 3 irons, for example.

 

[ej20]

No flack here - but a better solution would be to put something else in the bag rather than a flip in the hands.

Guys with low swing speeds can get real advantages out of 9 and 7 woods, hybrids, etc, when compared to their results with 6, 5, 4 and 3 irons, for example.

Players with low swing speeds have no right to have an iron lower than a 6.The only way they can get a 3 or 4 iron in the air is by flipping the heck out of it.Even a lot of tour pros don't have an iron lower than a 4 these days.2 irons are unheard of now even for Tiger.

Hybrids do help but they are still lower lofted than mid to short irons.

 

[BrianRVT]

Went back to the range again. Worked on keeping my head down at impact to keep from creating room for a flip. Sort of helped, but nowhere close yet.

What I really am struggling with is the difference between flipping and the natural roll over of the arms. When I try to prevent the flip I prevent the roll over as well, but end up with a chicken wing finish. The arms have to roll over, but when? Is it a flip basically when you roll over before impact instead of after?

 

[dannyc]

Is it a flip basically when you roll over before impact instead of after?

no. "flipping" is letting the clubhead pass the hands before impact, usually by bending the left wrist prior to impact. "rolling" and "bending" are not the same.

 

[dannyc]

i.e., wedding ring up. lots of roll...no flip.

 

[birdie_man]

Brian you need NSA and COFF videos.

Take it back more closed...roll the heck out of it (literally as much as you can) and WITHOUT bending your left wrist. (the entire swing, actually...i.e. twistaway BS/full roll DS combo)