Release

[CrimsonTider]

I have been working on the swing recommendations from the articles, and having a little success with it, but having trouble with one part. I have no trouble holding my right wrist angle through impact and hitting the ball on the aft inside quarter of the ball. But, I have a hard time doing that AND getting the release recommended. I am hitting the ball more cleanly now, and hitting it straighter, but I can not help but feel that I am giving up distance by not releasing the club completely. My full swing feels much more like a punch now than a full swing.

Any recommendations?

 

[4D1]

Blast your left arm off your chest!

 

[njmp2]

quote:Originally posted by 4D1

Blast your left arm off your chest!

4D1 -- How and when do you blast the left arm off your chest?

 

[CrimsonTider]

quote:Originally posted by 4D1

Blast your left arm off your chest!

I have no idea what you mean by this.

 

[drewitgolf]

quote:Originally posted by CrimsonTider

I have been working on the swing recommendations from the articles, and having a little success with it, but having trouble with one part. I have no trouble holding my right wrist angle through impact and hitting the ball on the aft inside quarter of the ball. But, I have a hard time doing that AND getting the release recommended. I am hitting the ball more cleanly now, and hitting it straighter, but I can not help but feel that I am giving up distance by not releasing the club completely. My full swing feels much more like a punch now than a full swing.

Any recommendations?

Do you know if you are a swinger or a hitter?

 

[ej20]

quote:Originally posted by CrimsonTider

quote:Originally posted by 4D1

Blast your left arm off your chest!

I have no idea what you mean by this.

My interpretation is that you straighten your right arm through the ball as hard as you can by pushing onto the bent right wrist,thereby keeping it bent through impact.A hitting action with the right side.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by CrimsonTider

I have been working on the swing recommendations from the articles, and having a little success with it, but having trouble with one part. I have no trouble holding my right wrist angle through impact and hitting the ball on the aft inside quarter of the ball.

There is no hold, set the flying wedges and allow them to move on plane into impact. No effect should hold them, its more of a "set." This is a fogging area for many because of what some think a relaease is.

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But, I have a hard time doing that AND getting the release recommended.

A release is not the flatting of the right wrist and bending of the left wrist.

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I am hitting the ball more cleanly now, and hitting it straighter, but I can not help but feel that I am giving up distance by not releasing the club completely. My full swing feels much more like a punch now than a full swing.

Any recommendations?

THe punch shot feeling is because you are hanging back on the right and/or you are stopping your swing.

Lets look at the right shoulder. It works, DOWN, OUT and THROUGH. The Down and Out is a diagonal movement on plane down and out as the pivot rotates. Through works with the pivot allowing the arms to straighten. The right arm and shoulder are always on plane and has this effect on the hands and clubhead:
DOWN- the hands still haven't moved much, passive and ready, starts to move to the right hip.
OUT- first the hands move to a good pre-impact position- ready to strike. If using a sweep motion the hands are low and outside the right hip. If a snap, low and in front of the pleats/zipper of the pants. Out is the shortest of the three motions- it begins when PP3 begins to face the ball. If you hit or swing - PP3 will look the same here. The clubhead is still going Down, just now down and out into impact.
THROUGH- this is the release you should feel. Wedges into the ball - right bent, left flat and right shoulder blasting through as the arms (remember them) straighten. As the arms straighten the left hand rolled, swiveled to stay on plane to your ear.

That left arm blast off the chest (acc#4) is a result of a right shoulder thrust THROUGH motion. FWIW.

Allow the pivot and right shoulder motions to finish the swing.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by CrimsonTider

quote:Originally posted by 4D1

Blast your left arm off your chest!

I have no idea what you mean by this.

ACC#4- Let the left arm blast off the chest. It works the same with swing or hit because of the right shoulder thrust. The right shoulder is what blasts the arm off the chest.

 

[CrimsonTider]

quote:Originally posted by drewitgolf

quote:Originally posted by CrimsonTider

I have been working on the swing recommendations from the articles, and having a little success with it, but having trouble with one part. I have no trouble holding my right wrist angle through impact and hitting the ball on the aft inside quarter of the ball. But, I have a hard time doing that AND getting the release recommended. I am hitting the ball more cleanly now, and hitting it straighter, but I can not help but feel that I am giving up distance by not releasing the club completely. My full swing feels much more like a punch now than a full swing.

Any recommendations?

Do you know if you are a swinger or a hitter?

I believe I am a hitter.

 

[CrimsonTider]

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A release is not the flatting of the right wrist and bending of the left wrist.

I realize this. I just have a hard time getting the release while maintaining the right wrist angle

quote:
The punch shot feeling is because you are hanging back on the right and/or you are stopping your swing.

Actually, I do the exact opposite and make a very aggressive hip turn through the ball

quote:
Lets look at the right shoulder. It works, DOWN, OUT and THROUGH. The Down and Out is a diagonal movement on plane down and out as the pivot rotates. Through works with the pivot allowing the arms to straighten. The right arm and shoulder are always on plane and has this effect on the hands and clubhead:
DOWN- the hands still haven't moved much, passive and ready, starts to move to the right hip.
OUT- first the hands move to a good pre-impact position- ready to strike. If using a sweep motion the hands are low and outside the right hip. If a snap, low and in front of the pleats/zipper of the pants. Out is the shortest of the three motions- it begins when PP3 begins to face the ball. If you hit or swing - PP3 will look the same here. The clubhead is still going Down, just now down and out into impact.
THROUGH- this is the release you should feel. Wedges into the ball - right bent, left flat and right shoulder blasting through as the arms (remember them) straighten. As the arms straighten the left hand rolled, swiveled to stay on plane to your ear.

That left arm blast off the chest (acc#4) is a result of a right shoulder thrust THROUGH motion. FWIW.

Allow the pivot and right shoulder motions to finish the swing.

I think this part helps, but I am not sure what you mean when you say "Wedges into the ball."

Thanks.

 

[6bee1dee]

“A release is not the flatting of the right wrist and bending of the left wrist.”
I realize this.

My apologies. I was trying to post to a wider audience. Many think the release is the flattening of the right wrist. It may flatten as the hands swivel and roll and then rec0ck after the arms straighten and end the swing at the top. But doesn’t have to. Evershed preaches no flattening ever.

“The punch shot feeling is because you are hanging back on the right and/or you are stopping your swing. “
Actually, I do the exact opposite ...

Maybe it’s the “or part.” Punch shots have a shorten swing.
You (this is the third person form of the word “you”) can still fire the right hip over the right leg which still keeps the weigh hanging back. Make sure the weight moves to the left when firing. Then continue the swing over the left leg as the arms follow through.
When I first learn the hit stroke, it felt like punch shot. I realized that I was stopping short of a full swing and worked my TGM definition of rhythm and found that did it.

”Wedges into the ball - right bent, left flat and right shoulder blasting through as the arms (remember them) straighten. As the arms straighten the left hand rolled, swivelled to stay on plane to your ear.”
I think this part helps, but I am not sure what you mean when you say "Wedges into the ball."

Keeping the flying wedges intact into impact, hitting the ball with pp3, swivel, straighten the arms and stand tall.

 

[4D1]

quote:Originally posted by CrimsonTider

quote:Originally posted by 4D1

Blast your left arm off your chest!

I have no idea what you mean by this.

6B1D explained this very well. I further ask to describe your finish position. Can you pose an 'elbows together', left thumb supporting the shaft.

 

[6bee1dee]

Balance is all I need to feel. If the swing was in rhythm, everything works and looks good.

My hit stroke has higher hands- more over my shoulder at the finish, while my swing stroke has the more classic lower hands closer to the ear.

 

[EdZ]

quote:Originally posted by CrimsonTider

I think this part helps, but I am not sure what you mean when you say "Wedges into the ball."

Thanks.

set the right wrist straight back on the forearm, cock the left thumb in the plane of the left forearm fairly early in the backswing - and take that 'wedge' through the rest of the shot

Feel as if your hands are lightly wrapped in an ace bandage at the top and take the entire unit down into the ground, through the ball, into the dirt, with the tip of your right index finger, the heel of your right hand, and your left thumb - into the inside back corner

Once, 'set' the hands do not change until after impact, if at all