Reverse release

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There has been this hot swing-topic on my local finnish forum called the reverse release. If I have understood it right, it's about golfer resisting the closing of the club face during downswing by rotating his forearms clock-wise. It's supposed to be this magic move that prevents the possible timing problems tha might occur when crossing the for-arms.
It's also said to be the move that the tour players are using widely...

I'd like to know your view on this matter...
 
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fronesis

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Jamma said:
There has been this hot swing-topic on my local finnish forum called the reverse release. If I have understood it right, it's about golfer resisting the closing of the club face during backswing by rotating his forearms clock-wise.
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I don't think I understand. The clubface OPENS during the backswing, so I don't see what there is to resist. I think it would be fair to describe the Manzella twistaway as a method to resist having the clubface OPENING as much on the backswing (so that less work is required to close it on the downswing), and some around here - including me - see that as a 'magic move'. But I just don't understand what it means to stop the clubface from closing on the backswing, because nobody has a backswing that closes the clubface to begin with.
 
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thefuture37

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this would be good advice for someone who hits a big hook. at best it is a feel though, not something you would do to the extreme
 
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pecky987 said:
does he mean resist closing on 'downswing'?
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Oh my!!...Sorry lads. Yes, I meant on downswing. Makes more sense now...??

Well i guess it's quite clear english sure isn't my native language.. :)

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Jamma said:
Oh my!!...Sorry lads. Yes, I meant on downswing. Makes more sense now...??

Well i guess it's quite clear english sure isn't my native language.. :)

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OK, now that I understand the premise: I agree with Pecky - big fade/slice.
 
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phillygolf

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Quick question.

Would it be more precise to - use the same release all the time and manipulate grip versus using a reverse release (which seems imprecise) because of timing?

I personally fight reverse release (there are times I can actually feel a reverse roll) so I know what you mean.

Just a thought. It would seem to me to use the same release every time, then manipulate grip to coincide, verses using timing/feel etc with a motion.

Patrick
 
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phillygolf said:
Quick question.

Would it be more precise to - use the same release all the time and manipulate grip versus using a reverse release (which seems imprecise) because of timing?

I personally fight reverse release (there are times I can actually feel a reverse roll) so I know what you mean.

Just a thought. It would seem to me to use the same release every time, then manipulate grip to coincide, verses using timing/feel etc with a motion.

Patrick
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I asume that in order the RR to work as intended you have to have your basic swing working properly. As in the power comes from lower body(pivot+leg action) and the hands basically transmit that power via club to the ball(??)
When you swing like that, the clubface will start closing (or being lees open) right from the top automatically. Then if/when you have your right hand also firing through the ball it could very easily force the clubface too closed at impact---->fore left. That's when the RR comes in action. By knowingly rolling your forearms clock-wise prior to impact, you can use that right hand as a power source (helping to maintain maximum swing speed through the ball).
I'd like to know if I'm way off here. it might be that I have, with my very limited knowledge of golf swing and it's mechanics, missunderstood that RR thing totally... ;)
 
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Darn it. I haven't been here for a long long time, so all those terms you guys use are quite mysterious.....marbels and all that.. :).
But as said before....this clock-wise rolling of the forearms can be very effective, when (the rest of the swing is) done correctly?? Would you guys say it's a desirable action in a good swing.....or should it be used only for certain type of shots??
 
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phillygolf

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Jamma said:
Darn it. I haven't been here for a long long time, so all those terms you guys use are quite mysterious.....marbels and all that.. :).
But as said before....this clock-wise rolling of the forearms can be very effective, when (the rest of the swing is) done correctly?? Would you guys say it's a desirable action in a good swing.....or should it be used only for certain type of shots??
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Jamma,

Look at any sequence of a pro - you will not see a reverse roll of the forearms except for special conditions (flop shot, etc).

So, for me, I would say emphatically -NO- not desirable for a full stroke.

Lets think about it...if you come into impact and the clubface is opening (as a result of rolling the forearms/wrists in the reverse action) what happens?

No compression, ballooning, and most likely a slice or push depending on your path.

Patrick
 
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phillygolf said:
Jamma,

Look at any sequence of a pro - you will not see a reverse roll of the forearms except for special conditions (flop shot, etc).

So, for me, I would say emphatically -NO- not desirable for a full stroke.

Lets think about it...if you come into impact and the clubface is opening (as a result of rolling the forearms/wrists in the reverse action) what happens?

No compression, ballooning, and most likely a slice or push depending on your path.

Patrick
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Not nessecarily. If done correctly could that move allow you to really fire through the impact with your right arm, without that right hand firing causing the clubface to close too much?
 
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