RFT & BM Down under?

[chiper]

A couple of questions for Brian and anyone else that care to help.

Brian I recently read that you are not a big fan of the RFT, could you please explain why you don’t like it?
And could you please suggest some alternate takeaway procedures?

And my final question....when are you coming to Australia? Myself and many other Aussies would love to attend one of your clinics, Thanks.

 

[youssef]

What's RFT & BM

Hi All,

For us the newbies , either you guys need to put a link with all these terms so we can know what do they mean. or put what is means first then later just use these abbreviations.

Thanks Guys, we just want to learn as well.

 

[GolfVn]

RFT: right forearm takeaway
BM: Brian Manzella - thats the guy up there in the logo

 

[Brian Manzella]

Right Forearm Takeaway, and me.

NEWFLASH:

• There are no "Hinges" mounted in a Human Left Shoulder.

• The Hands are not "Adjustable Clamps."

• There has been ZERO proof that a "Stationary Head" will do anything for you but increase your frequency of vists to your Chiropractor.

They are ideas, concepts. They are something to think about so you do a better job of "making the golf club work like a golf club—and not a large ice cream scoop.

And so is the Right Forearm Takeaway.

Nobody who could play a lick, EVER had a more pronouced "Right Forearm Takeaway" than Fred Couples. In fact, THAT same Fred Couples may have had some influence on Homer Kelley who watch a young Freddie in their town of Seattle, Washington.

It was first called "Right Forearm Pickup," which seems to suit Freddies takeaway more precisely.

Clearly it is not an imperative of good golf.

In fact, it may harm more golfers than it helps. But this is the key, it does help some golfers.

But which "Right Forearm Takeaway"??

On my lesson tee, the Right Forearm Takeaway is simply this:

While you are slightly BUMPing—but not TURNing—your hips to the right, TAKE your hands to their "desired" top-of-the-backswing location, "PULLING" the rest of the components along with it.

What about the "Right Forearm"??

As an idea, I use the FOREARM and not the HANDS about 1 golfer out of every 10 or 20. But I only use my above version of the procedure (The hands pulling with the hip bumping) in less than 10% of all my lessons.

Who get's this (either) treatment??

A golfer who it helps. One that takes the club back WAY too inside and has PLENTY of hip and shoulder turn to burn.

And—most importantly—one that is not a STONE slicer. Although, some of them get it as well.

Most golfers will be better served with the takeaway of Sam Snead, Jack Nicklaus, & Tiger Woods. The one they call a shoulder turn takeaway, as if it were a disease. I call it a "Pivot Powered" takeaway, and I'll take Snead, Nickluas and Woods as partners on my four man team with THIS broken down Itallian as the fourth, and I'll play any foursome.

If it helps, use it. How will you know? Try it.

I did a video on it. It is video #4 on my 1-4 "The Movie" video.

Oh...I'd love to come "down under."

 

[youssef]

Thanks GolfVn

 

[blehnhard]

LCT & RFT

Brian - is it possible to have a 'lagging clubhead takeaway' in conjuctioin with a 'right forearm takeaway'?

Thanks - Bruce

 

[Michael Jacobs]

Right Forearm Takeaway

Way too much talk about the right forearm takeaway in TGM and even in the 7th edition! Towards the end of his research (early 1980's) Homer had the opportunity to watch a lot of Fred Couples in Seattle....... did a lot of experimenting and note taking on the RFT ---- He had a lot of notes and ideas, they then became part of the 7th edition which was recently put out. It is very difficult to put out a new edition with ideas and notes --- every person has different styles of note taking and idea writitng -- I would never expect someone to take my golf swing notes that I collect and be able to put out a new text.

Use your pivot like Brian describes - monitor your hands

RFT = Can't play a lick!!!!!

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Brian - is it possible to have a 'lagging clubhead takeaway' in conjuctioin with a 'right forearm takeaway'?

Thanks - Bruce

Yes.

Essentially you are still "bringing your hands to a spot" that you want to be at, at the top of your backswing.

However your first move off the ball is moving the hands (so the club lags) and then you pick everything up to that spot. I played almost all of my golf like that last year.

 

[solarbear]

*waits for Brian to come downunder*

 

[chiper]

Thanks Brian, I had another look at episode 4 and 5, and picked up a few more gold nuggets that I missed the first time around.

I have always struggled with the RFT, for me it always felt a little forced and inhibited the natural flowing movement, so I will give the shoulder turn takeaway a try.

BTW, The content in your video series is second to none, your in-depth knowledge, contagious enthusiasm and call it as you see it attitude is like a breath of fresh air....hope you can make it down under soon.
Thanks again Brian.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Thanks Brian, I had another look at episode 4 and 5, and picked up a few more gold nuggets that I missed the first time around.

I have always struggled with the RFT, for me it always felt a little forced and inhibited the natural flowing movement, so I will give the shoulder turn takeaway a try.

BTW, The content in your video series is second to none, your in-depth knowledge, contagious enthusiasm and call it as you see it attitude is like a breath of fresh air....hope you can make it down under soon.
Thanks again Brian.

Don't be afraid to combine the two as Brian mentions in the end of the video how many people end up with a "hybrid."

You can easily use your shoulders/core/etc to move the assembly off the ball THEN simply pick up the club to the spot you want to go too.

 

[swingeasttowest]

RFP

I think it can vary on when you start the RFP. Bumping your hips to the right and not turning them will sought of guarantee you dont reverse pivot. I lke it as long as you keep your right wrist passive so you still feel that heavy clubhead feeling as you take it up.............

Yes.

Essentially you are still "bringing your hands to a spot" that you want to be at, at the top of your backswing.

However your first move off the ball is moving the hands (so the club lags) and then you pick everything up to that spot. I played almost all of my golf like that last year.

 

[chiper]

Don't be afraid to combine the two as Brian mentions in the end of the video how many people end up with a "hybrid."

You can easily use your shoulders/core/etc to move the assembly off the ball THEN simply pick up the club to the spot you want to go too.

Thanks Jim.I wil give that a try in combination with the left shoulder turn.

 

[chiper]

Bumping your hips to the right and not turning them will sought of guarantee you dont reverse pivot.

Swingeasttowest, I’m not sure,
I tend to think the hip bump and no hip turn on the takeaway would increase your chances of a reverse pivot, and loss of spine angle at the top?

 

[swingeasttowest]

Chiper - fyi

"On my lesson tee, the Right Forearm Takeaway is simply this:

While you are slightly BUMPing—but not TURNing—your hips to the right, TAKE your hands to their "desired" top-of-the-backswing location, "PULLING" the rest of the components along with it." - BM

Swingeasttowest, I’m not sure,
I tend to think the hip bump and no hip turn on the takeaway would increase your chances of a reverse pivot, and loss of spine angle at the top?

 

[Brian Manzella]

THE POINT!!!!

The takeaway shaft location at FIRST VERTICAL, will closely match your hips.

Soooooo.....

If you want a RFT, there is really no reason to do it with Standard Hip Action.

Got it?

Even the "proponents" of a RFT—the version they are promoting—is with a delayed pivot.