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Aparently by the definition of HK, I have a true "Swingers" motion. (no jokes guys [:p])

My left wrist at impact is level, and my wright wrist is uncocked. Obviously this puts my right forearm well off plane with the shaft. Suggestions on how to work on this, and if it's even something necessary for a swinging motion.
 
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quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Aparently by the definition of HK, I have a true "Swingers" motion. (no jokes guys [:p])

My left wrist at impact is level, and my wright wrist is uncocked. Obviously this puts my right forearm well off plane with the shaft. Suggestions on how to work on this, and if it's even something necessary for a swinging motion.
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When you say uncocked, do you mean unbent (in TGMese)?
 
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quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Aparently by the definition of HK, I have a true "Swingers" motion. (no jokes guys [:p])

My left wrist at impact is level, and my wright wrist is uncocked. Obviously this puts my right forearm well off plane with the shaft. Suggestions on how to work on this, and if it's even something necessary for a swinging motion.
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There should be no cocking or uncocking of your right wrist. It starts out Flat, Level and Vertical at Classic Address, moves to Bent, Level and Vertical during the backswing and remains Bent, Level and Vertical at or near Follow Through. In my opinion, the way to work on it is to monitor your Wrist conditions starting with a very small motion and moving up to larger motions, as per the Basic Motion Curriculum found at pages 225 - 228. Start with Basic Motion (chipping), then move to Acquired Motion (waist hight to waist high pitching motion) and then to Total Motion (full swings).
 
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quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Aparently by the definition of HK, I have a true "Swingers" motion. (no jokes guys [:p])

My left wrist at impact is level, and my wright wrist is uncocked. Obviously this puts my right forearm well off plane with the shaft. Suggestions on how to work on this, and if it's even something necessary for a swinging motion.
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Is your left wrist flat at impact? Is your wright wrist bented at impact? If your wright wrist is bent, the right forearm will be on plane. A bent wright wrist is not an uncocked wright wrist. You can have both just the cocking of it is wrong.
The right forearm is always on plane if the wright wrist stays bent and uncocked. Thats the "magic of the right forearm."
 
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Not only is it possible to have an uncocked right wrist and flat left wrist at impact.. I do it.

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As you can see on the left picture, my left wrist is flat. On the right, my forearm is on a much flatter plane than the clubshaft. If I had a better picture of my left arm at impact I could show you that it's in line with the shaft.
 
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No one said it wasn't possible. In the past you claimed you had a cocked wright wrist, we had always said that it is better to have an uncocked and bent wright wrist. Uncocked here meaning not cocked. If you bend the wright wrist on take-away it will keep the right forearm on plane on the down swing. That was your first question, wasn't it? How to keep the right forearm on plane?
 
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"If you bend the wright wrist on take-away it will keep the right forearm on plane on the down swing"

Does this mean that you should bent the wrist right away at takeaway with the right forearm takeaway? Or at takeaway using right arm takeaway and bent the right wrist later ok?
 
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quick answer- yes. Long answer- depends on club, ball position and if you do an impact fix on each shot. The further up the ball at address, the more bend of the right wrist is needed. The further back the ball location is, the less bend is needed. I would in each case bend the right wrist as the right forearm is moving up and back in that “clapping-fanning” motion.
 
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Interesting how this post was made nearly 4 days ago and still my question has not been answered. Instead it turned into a brawl over something else entirely.

I really would like to know how to get my right forearm on plane. There is obviously a distict correlation with the right shoulder and elbow, but the HOW is not explained very much.
 
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quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Interesting how this post was made nearly 4 days ago and still my question has not been answered. Instead it turned into a brawl over something else entirely.

I really would like to know how to get my right forearm on plane. There is obviously a distict correlation with the right shoulder and elbow, but the HOW is not explained very much.
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But it has been answered.

Your orignal question was:
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My left wrist at impact is level, and my wright wrist is uncocked. Obviously this puts my right forearm well off plane with the shaft. Suggestions on how to work on this, and if it's even something necessary for a swinging motion.
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The magic of the right forearm as such: The right forearm traces the plane up and back down. It is always on plane. Your wright wrist is never cocked but bent. Think of it this way: cocking is vertical and bending is horizontal, so...Fold the wright wrist as the right forearm traces the plane on the back swing. Trace the plane with the bent wright wrist and the right forearm on the downswing. Perhaps the mental imagine of your right forefinger, the pointer finger as a flashlight, a lazar, tracing the plane up and back, always on plane. Wright wrist always bent, a sledgehammer into impact.
The left arm is always off plane. I know you argued in the past that it is the left arm on plane. I hope you realize now it isn't. That leaves the right arm on plane.
 
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The link between the bending of the right wrist and how it causes the forearm to be in line is a complete and total mystery. I can't find that anywhere in the book.

And I quite clearly showed that my left arm IS directly in line with the shoulder and the ball. But I do not subscribe to the idea that it's ALWAYS on plane. I'm saying that in my swing, at impact, it is. ARe you now saying that the pictures lie?

My question is NOT answered since the only way mentioned to practice it has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I"m trying to accomplish. A bent right wrist does nothing for the location of my shoulder, elbow, and consiquently forearm.

I'm EXTREAMLY certain it has a LOT to do with my right shoulder and right elbow.. not the wrist.

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"...variations (right shoulder) in it's Impact location will vary the Right Elbow's Impact Bend and so may alter the Impact alignment of the Clubface."
 
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Pressure point number three traces the plane line. It is the right forearm that is on plane, remains on plane. It is homer's magic of the right forearm. The right shoulder is on plane because of it. I know your pal hibbard claims as you did/do that this is not true. But it works for many of us as Homer spells out that the right shoulder is the only shoulder on plane. The left is just a fulcum.
Maybe Brian or Holenone can explain it better then me.


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Are you even looking at the pictures? Please tell me how my right forearm is on plane when it is clearly much more horizonontal than angled in those pictures. It isn't even close to being in plane with the ball until my swings on the 12th. To say it HAS to be is silly. It simply isn't in many cases and when I've pointed it out to you, you still say it's happens. I feel like I"m trying to show you the blue sky and you keep telling me it's red. Look at the pictures.. draw a line down my right forearm and tell me where that line goes. If it goes at the ball, it's on plane. If it doesn't, then you owe me an appology.
 
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quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Are you even looking at the pictures? Please tell me how my right forearm is on plane when it is clearly much more horizonontal than angled in those pictures. It isn't even close to being in plane with the ball until my swings on the 12th. To say it HAS to be is silly. It simply isn't in many cases and when I've pointed it out to you, you still say it's happens. I feel like I"m trying to show you the blue sky and you keep telling me it's red. Look at the pictures.. draw a line down my right forearm and tell me where that line goes. If it goes at the ball, it's on plane. If it doesn't, then you owe me an appology.
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Either you don't know what plane you are on or your swing is phucked up. Which one is it? I think it phucked up myself. Looks like bad ball position and your forearms are out of whack. I know you pride yourself in doing everything with your forearms (ouch) but maybe if you traced the plane line with pressure point three (HANDS) instead of the forearms which can never be square to impact because they never were, your swing would improve. Then you wouldn't have to beg for an appology (spelt with one p) because none would be deserved.

I drew a line and it shows a sorry looking impact position.

Lastly: I try not looking at that swing of yours, sorry it deflates your ego. I was telling you how it is done, not what you were doing- that's wrong. It may work for you, stick with it, just don't try to peg it into some TGM hole. You still need to work on a level uncock wright wrist. hahahaha

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ps- 12th? Is that a TGM term I missed?
 
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Well, considering my scores and handicap.. I guess my swing is fine. Didn't know a "phucked" up swing can average 285 off the Tee, 12 fairways a round, and 14 greens in regulation.

I don't "pride myself of doing everything with my forearms". You choose to state things incorrectly because you think it earns you bonus points. You also obviously don't place much credence in HK's own teaching since it's called the "Magic of the Right Forearm"... not the "Magic of the #3 Pressure Point". You don't even release with your hands. You can monitor them, even direct them to locations. But you don't DO anything with them but hold onto the club.

The problem here is I'm right. And I can use TGM to prove it... yet YOU are trying to present yourself as a master of all things G.O.L.F. Good luck with that narrow mind. I'll wait for someone who won't insult me to tell me what I need to do. Esspecially one that will actually LOOK at my swing before trying to tell me what to work on.
 
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quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Well, considering my scores and handicap.. I guess my swing is fine. Didn't know a "phucked" up swing can average 285 off the Tee, 12 fairways a round, and 14 greens in regulation.
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Why bother- you brag a good game. Stick with what you do. You sound better then most tour players, hustle them and get a car and pay your bills.
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I don't "pride myself of doing everything with my forearms". You choose to state things incorrectly because you think it earns you bonus points.
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bonus points. With who- your dad?
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You also obviously don't place much credence in HK's own teaching since it's called the "Magic of the Right Forearm"... not the "Magic of the #3 Pressure Point".
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Give me a break! For all the times you have badmouth Mr. Kelley, you are the last person to hide behind him.
Did I ever say magic of pp3? You do neither of them, anyway.
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You don't even release with your hands. You can monitor them, even direct them to locations. But you don't DO anything with them but hold onto the club.
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Educated hands, got them. Gee you used to do everything with those forearms. You never held the belief that the hands do anything. Yes they hold the club- for you thats a break through.
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The problem here is I'm right. And I can use TGM to prove it... yet YOU are trying to present yourself as a master of all things G.O.L.F. Good luck with that narrow mind.
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I started out as a student, learned TGM, studied hard, practiced, learned more. You came on as the antagonist, now you fake your way around acting like a teacher.
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I'll wait for someone who won't insult me to tell me what I need to do. Esspecially one that will actually LOOK at my swing before trying to tell me what to work on.
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I told you want to do. I think you just want to be told you are correct. You aren't. If you stop acting so smug and condescending, it would be tougher to be insulting.

And stop hanging out at high schools.
 
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Ringer:

You are correct when you say getting the right forearm on plane deals with the right shoulder and right elbow. Through Homer's research, he found that the hands/arms tend to follow the path of the shoulder (so long as we do nothing to alter the path of the hands). What I mean is, from the top, if we thrust our right shoulder towards the inside aft quandrant of the ball, our arms/hands begin to follow. To ensure our right forearm/hands are on-plane, we must ensure that are elbow is on-plane. This is the reason Homer wanted us to go to impact fix....it shows the proper alignments of the right forearm, bend in right elbow, etc. As Homer stated, the as the right elbow gets on plane, so does the right forearm. In many people's swings, the right elbow may only be on plane during the iniital takeaway (then may leave by shifting to another plane), however, the elbow (and hence the right forearm) will come back on plane (or at least should) during the impact interval....especially if our hands tell us where to go. Since we properly established our impact alignments at Impact Fix, our goal is to move our hands back to our intended impact, which hopefully and imploredly should have also included the on-plane right forearm and right elbow.

In summary, you are correct...when your right elbow gets back on-plane during the downswing and during the release interval, your right forearm will also be on plane.

Hope that helps a bit!

FL-John
 
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