Right Elbow/Extensor Action

[LiftOff]

I'm somewhat in the fog. E.A. is suppose to be a continued attempt to straighten the right arm that tugs the left straight. I do that and it works.

Now I read that the right elbow bending is what cocks the left wrist and that bending the elbow more on the downswing will keep the left wrist cocked.

On the downswing when I try to keep my right elbow bent it works against trying to keep the right arm straight and I loose E.A. Can someone explain the feeling I should have?

Thanks

 

[MizunoJoe]

Bending the right elbow is the only way to cock the left wrist, if the right wrist is kept level on the BS. If the right arm and wrists are loose and tension free, the weight of the clubhead cocks BOTH wrists. Many good players at the highest levels have soft right arms which fold early - Couples for example.

 

[channelback]

He's asking about what happens to the bent right arm in the downswing. The answer is you try to straighten it through impact. It gets straight after impact.

 

[MizunoJoe]

quote:Originally posted by channelback

He's asking about what happens to the bent right arm in the downswing. The answer is you try to straighten it through impact. It gets straight after impact.

First things first - he seemed to think that the left wrist could only cock by bending the right elbow.

In the Swing, you don't try to straighten the right elbow, it gets straightened by CF.

 

[LiftOff]

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

On the backswing the right arm always tries to straighten thereby creating extensor action. It bends naturally as the backswing progresses due to the fact that it's being 'shortened' as the left arm moves into the chest. The left wrist cocks because of the shortening, being helped by the weight of the club as it reaches top/end, whichever. No problem so far, I hope.

On the downswing, many have written in this forum, that to keep the left wrist cocked, or increase the cock more, you should bend the right elbow more or keep it bent. I seem to find that bending it more on the downswing looses E.A. In other words, if my left arm is limp or not 'forced' out by E.A., then it'll bend because the right elbow is bending.

I have/use E.A. with no problem. It's just adding additional bend on the downswing that I'm a little perplexed with. With a flat left wrist fully cocked I don't get as much of an angle, certainly less than 90 degrees, that I see others obtaining in photos/videos.

Maybe I shouldn't worry about it.

Thanks for the input. Was worried no one would respond.

 

[MizunoJoe]

quote:Originally posted by LiftOff

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

On the backswing the right arm always tries to straighten thereby creating extensor action. It bends naturally as the backswing progresses due to the fact that it's being 'shortened' as the left arm moves into the chest. The left wrist cocks because of the shortening, being helped by the weight of the club as it reaches top/end, whichever. No problem so far, I hope.

On the downswing, many have written in this forum, that to keep the left wrist cocked, or increase the cock more, you should bend the right elbow more or keep it bent. I seem to find that bending it more on the downswing looses E.A. In other words, if my left arm is limp or not 'forced' out by E.A., then it'll bend because the right elbow is bending.

I have/use E.A. with no problem. It's just adding additional bend on the downswing that I'm a little perplexed with. With a flat left wrist fully cocked I don't get as much of an angle, certainly less than 90 degrees, that I see others obtaining in photos/videos.

Maybe I shouldn't worry about it.

Thanks for the input. Was worried no one would respond.

My apologies, because I knew exactly what you meant in your first post, but went off on a tangent. Yes, it seems that in order to downcock with increased elbow bend, you would have to soften the right elbow and lose EA. However, there are those here who use EA, while increasing the bend. I can do this by executing an exagerated pitch elbow thrust, but it produces a lot of right arm tension all the way up to the rotator cuff.

My opinion is that downcocking is best left to "soft right arm" players who rely on CF to maintain left arm radius on the DS, while EA is best for Hitters and "width" random sweep release Swingers, the latter of which probably includes you.

I saw that no one had responded, which is why I did. Hopefully, a downcocking EAer will respond.

 

[LiftOff]

MJ, LOL, were we playing together this past weekend?

Yes, I am a "random sweep swinger" but never thought about it like that. How'd you know? How does the "width" come into play?

BUT, (he hijacks his own thread!) this weekend I "snap released" twice and don't know why or how. (So I guess it was 'Automatic'.) Could this have been caused by down-cocking? Don't know how to replicate what 'happened'. Can you shed light on 'HOW' to snap? What are the advantages/disadvantages of Snap verses Sweep? Both seem effortless with good results. Snap does seem to give lower trajectory.

(Back on topic) I am not a soft right arm swinger. Use and depend on the right to keep the left out there. (Years of bending. ) Don't need any shoulder problems so will closely monitor the down cocking idea.

MJ, thanks for your thoughts and comments.

 

[MizunoJoe]

quote:Originally posted by LiftOff

MJ, LOL, were we playing together this past weekend?

Yes, I am a "random sweep swinger" but never thought about it like that. How'd you know? How does the "width" come into play?

BUT, (he hijacks his own thread!) this weekend I "snap released" twice and don't know why or how. (So I guess it was 'Automatic'.) Could this have been caused by down-cocking? Don't know how to replicate what 'happened'. Can you shed light on 'HOW' to snap? What are the advantages/disadvantages of Snap verses Sweep? Both seem effortless with good results. Snap does seem to give lower trajectory.

(Back on topic) I am not a soft right arm swinger. Use and depend on the right to keep the left out there. (Years of bending. ) Don't need any shoulder problems so will closely monitor the down cocking idea.

MJ, thanks for your thoughts and comments.

Just guessing from experience. Continously trying to straighten the right arm, if overdone, makes it easy to lose wristcock early. Those who use EA, caution to just lightly tug the left arm at PP #1.

Let me clear up a misconception you may have - you can snap release without downcocking. You can retain whatever left wristcock is attained at the top, deep into the DS.

Also, you should know that many just can't get the hang of snap releasing, but if you rotate fast enough, random sweep releasing can produce plenty of head speed.

 

[DanSchulte]

Happen to be surfing this topic and afer reading all this I realized I really don't know the difference in snap releasing and sweep releasing, I would appreciate knowing what these are and how to do either one, both of them?? I think I swing long irons and woods and hit with 8-9 or shorter. Thanks Dan

 

[LiftOff]

Dan: I'll bump this for you.

As I stated, I don't know HOW to do it, but I've 'snapped' several times. The sweep, for me, is just a slow gradual pull from the top/end and steady releasing through the ball. Think smoooooth. The 'snap' starts with the same steady pull but at the bottom the club switches ends super quick. Quite a feeling. When I've done it my eyes get big and I wonder what I did, but still haven't a clue.

Maybe someone can answer the HOW question.