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When comparing my swing face on to some that actually look half decent, I notice that my right elbow becomes visable below the left arm fairly early in the backstoke, while theirs often only become visible at start down. What, if any, are the implications? In tgm terms, is this sweep vs snap loading?
 
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I notice that my right elbow becomes visable below the left arm fairly early in the backstoke

Assuming you are talking about a down-the-line view, what do you mean by this statement? The right elbow is already below the left arm at address, before the backswing starts.
 
Ok, I see what he means now. The earlier the wrist set, the sooner the right elbow appears below the left arm. The only way it wouldn't become visible before startdown, would be to fly the right elbow.
 

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quote:Originally posted by nevermind

When comparing my swing face on to some that actually look half decent, I notice that my right elbow becomes visable below the left arm fairly early in the backstoke, while theirs often only become visible at start down. What, if any, are the implications? In tgm terms, is this sweep vs snap loading?
You are not doing anything wrong in getting the right elbow below the left arm early in the backswing - on the contrary.

However, the crux of the whole golf swing is in bringing that structured assembly, intact, back down into impact. Where that structured assembly finally reaches completion, be it early or late, is largely irrelevant.
 
Thankyou Burner. Unless someone pipes in to the contrary, I'll accept that it's basically irrelevant and move on. Just out of interest, so that I have a name for what I'm doing, is this something that might indicate sweep loading?
 
What you are looking at is a very important aspect of the swing. It has a lot to do with the setup position, as MizunoJoe stated. However, it's posssible for the backswing motion to destroy this relationship. I believe that the right elbow should immediately begin to gradually fold once the backswing is underway and it should be pointing downward and visible under the left arm from the face on view. The position of the hands on the grip has a direct relationship to the position of the arms, so the setup must match the position that you ultimately strive to reach at impact, otherwise you must make some sort of compensation on the forward swing to insure the correct clubface angle.
 

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quote:Originally posted by nevermind

Thankyou Burner. Unless someone pipes in to the contrary, I'll accept that it's basically irrelevant and move on. Just out of interest, so that I have a name for what I'm doing, is this something that might indicate sweep loading?
What you describe in your initial post is just a positional reference point, which can become visually evident at anytime in your backswing. It has no loading connotations.

Loading, stressing or lagging the shaft occurs in the transition from back to down swing. It is how this loading is applied that warrants its description.
 

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quote:Originally posted by nevermind

Doesn't sweep, random and snap loading refer to the loading of the power package, not the shaft?
No, Sweep, Random and Snap are terms used in relation to Power Package Release.

They are the three release points and are further typified by their automatic or non-automatic variations. The three release points and their two variants give six possible combinations, all of which can be used for both hitting and swinging.
See Power Package Release:10-24-0 for the full skinny.
 
don't have a book with me, but I think if you look in 10-22(not too sure on that) you might get what i'm talking about. I think the full terms were full sweep, random sweep and snap.

I know that the terms are also used in relation to the release, but i believe you'll aslo find them in description of the loading stage.
 
quote:Originally posted by nevermind

don't have a book with me, but I think if you look in 10-22(not too sure on that) you might get what i'm talking about. I think the full terms were full sweep, random sweep and snap.

I know that the terms are also used in relation to the release, but i believe you'll aslo find them in description of the loading stage.

Yes, and the 10-22 ref is correct.
 

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quote:Originally posted by nevermind

don't have a book with me, but I think if you look in 10-22(not too sure on that) you might get what i'm talking about. I think the full terms were full sweep, random sweep and snap.

I know that the terms are also used in relation to the release, but i believe you'll aslo find them in description of the loading stage.
Power Package Loading - you are quite right and I was missing the point of your question due to assumption, my bad. There are three loading patterns,

Full sweep = anytime from start up

Random sweep = at any predetermined point, and

Snap = delayed until the last instant

so it is for you to determine according to your pre-selected loading pattern which of these descriptions applies in your case.
 
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