Right forearm takeaway

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bcoak

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Could someone provide some detail on how to use the right forearm takeway in the backswing. What does the clubhead and club shaft look like half way back, do you use the hand, does the upper arm stay close to the chest, and any other thing that could help. Thanks.
 

Brian Manzella

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bcoak...here is a short version.

Stand to the ball and TAKE your right hand to the top using the right forearm/elbow/bicep...LEAVE your chest (pivot) right there at address.

It (The pivot) will move to accomodate your hands going to their 'spot.'

The head won't move hardly at all or AT all.

This is all opposed to the pivot dragging the hands to the top.

;)

How did I do holenone?
 

EdZ

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I'd say that sums it up.... but perhaps you can clarify your view by describing the relative position of the 'inside' of the right forearm. My view is that you want to feel the inside of the forearm faces the ball/is on plane, rather than rolls, and only pivots around the right elbow because of the shoulder turning under the chin. The right elbow stays on its plane (shaft plane), and you bend your right elbow. Feel like you hit (almost a slap motion) the ball with the inside of the right forearm
(keeping in mind the pivot point of the right elbow - it should point down, and stay inside your shirt seam)
 

bcoak

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Thanks Brian and Mizuno. At Chucks site there are some pics of people swinging a badmitton racket. Is this a good drill? Can you hit balls with just your right arm?
Also, looking at Redgoats site, would Stuart Appleby be a good person to study as it seems he employs the right arm takeway.
 
"Stand to the ball and TAKE your right hand to the top using the right forearm/elbow/bicep...LEAVE your chest (pivot) right there at address.

It (The pivot) will move to accomodate your hands going to their 'spot.'"

Brian,
I understand this, but what I don't understand is how to I determine what my 'spot' is? How do I practice getting where I need to get without a mirror or video camera?
 

holenone

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quote:Originally posted by mgjordan

"Stand to the ball and TAKE your right hand to the top using the right forearm/elbow/bicep...LEAVE your chest (pivot) right there at address.

It (The pivot) will move to accomodate your hands going to their 'spot.'"

Brian,
I understand this, but what I don't understand is how to I determine what my 'spot' is? How do I practice getting where I need to get without a mirror or video camera?

Help you I can. Yes, mmmm. Up the line of the Right Forearm you should go. You must unlearn what you have learned. Look first into the mirror. Then, with your eyes closed do the same. You must feel the Force around you: Here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the Hand and the Turned Right Shoulder. Try not. Do...or do not. There is no try.
 
With Swinging... the Right Forearm Pickup should be accompanied by a turn of the left wrist. There is also a slight FANNING motion of the right forearm as it is moving up THE TURNED SHOULDER PLANE.

I have found that the Right Forearm Pickup works better with a Full Sweep Loading Action, although I suppose a Random or Snap Load can work as well, as long as the Right Forearm is moving UP the plane.
 

holenone

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quote:Originally posted by lagster

... the Right Forearm Pickup should be accompanied by a turn of the left wrist. There is also a slight FANNING motion of the right forearm as it is moving up THE TURNED SHOULDER PLANE.

Lagster is correct here, and he makes a huge point.

With Swinging, the Left Wrist Turn-On-Plane can be almost immediate (Standard Action per 10-18-A). With Hitting, it is the product of the Body Turn and the Arm Swing and is more gradual (Single Action per 10-18-C-20). In both cases, the Left Wrist reaches the Top in an identical alignment, i.e., Turned On Plane. As Lagster also points out, the Right Forearm Fans as necessary in both Variations, enabling the Right Wrist Turn (On Plane) to complement the Left Wrist Turn (On Plane). Thus, the Flying Wedges Assembly (6-B-3-0-1) is maintained and with it, the 90 degree relationship of its individual components.
 
It's not possible for the left wrist to turn and roll and not the right, unless you do something 'funny' with the right hand grip. For Single Wrist Action, the left wrist cocks only. With Standard Wrist Action, the left wrist cocks AND turns.
 

holenone

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quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

For Single Wrist Action, the left wrist cocks only. With Standard Wrist Action, the left wrist cocks AND turns.

In Standard Wrist Action, the Left Wrist is physically Turned, i.e., Rotated, by the player, ideally during Start Up. In Single Wrist Action, the Left Wrist gradually Turns (via the natural Body and Arm Rotation), but it is not Turned by the player.
 
holen1,

The left wrist "Turn" is a clockwise rotation of the left forearm from the elbow down and changes the orientation of the hand and forearm to the upper arm. This doesn't happen in Single Wrist Action unless actively and intentionally done by the player, and at that time becomes Standard Wrist Action.
 

holenone

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quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

It's not possible for the left wrist to turn and roll and not the right, unless you do something 'funny' with the right hand grip.

In an ideal world, MJ is right. Unfortunately, one man's 'funny' is another man's 'habit.' And misaligned 'habit' executing its ignorance sabotages performance.

Many otherwise correct Top positions are ruined by insufficient Right Wrist Turn. Often, this condition can be traced to a perverted 'Position Golf' attempt to maintain the Elbows 'close together' -- by actively pulling the Right Elbow 'in' toward the Left -- throughout the Stroke. The cure is to establish and maintain the correct Left Arm and Right Forearm (and Elbow) Flying Wedge Alignments (6-B-3-0-1 and 12-3-0 #23).
 

holenone

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quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

holen1,

The left wrist "Turn" is a clockwise rotation of the left forearm from the elbow down and changes the orientation of the hand and forearm to the upper arm. This doesn't happen in Single Wrist Action unless actively and intentionally done by the player, and at that time becomes Standard Wrist Action.

[Bold by Holenone.]

We are in complete agreement. The key word is Rotation. With Standard Wrist Action, the player actively Turns -- Rotates -- the Left Wrist On Plane during Start Up. With Single Wrist Action, the Left Wrist gradually Turns (with the Turning Body and Orbiting Arm) throughout the Backstroke and reaches the Top in its Fully Turned (On Plane) condition. At no time is there an independent Wrist Rotation by the player.
 
Please ignore my last reply on single action, I am on vacation and do not have the book with me. What I want to say is left: turn and cock; but for the right, I want to clear my fog as I was told by an AI that no turn on the right forearm. That why I asked the question.

I don't know if I have the right arm turn now. In the address position, the right forearm is 45 degree to the target line, when I take the right forearm up with elbow fold and right wrist bend I do not feel much turn on the right, may there is the turn.
 
The position of the #3 Pressure point at the Top or End, is usually also different for Hitters and Swingers. Swingers feel a rotation of the #3 pressure point at the Top, to the top of the clubshaft(a 10-2-A type of position). This may, or may not return to it's strong position when the wrists Swivel back to Vertical during Standard Wrist Action. Hitters, ideally, should not have #3 pressure point rotation at all.
 
ryantiff,

To answer your specific question, when you "Turn" your left wrist on the BS your right wrist SHOULD "Turn" exactly the same amount.
 
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