Right forearm too high at impact

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Is there any drills or thoughts that could get my forearm not coming into the ball to high?

I wanted to know want the next step would be after fixing the open clubface, to get rid of the out side in swing path and those weak cuts, what could be done to start working on hitting some draws maybe even some sweeping hooks and really feeling that horizontal hinge as opposed to the vertical hinge?

Help is appreciated.
 
Is there any drills or thoughts that could get my forearm not coming into the ball to high?

Perhaps it is the left arm that is too low. Just a thought.
 
From release, the left wrists moves from cocked to level Only, before the roll of the #3 Accumulator, not fully uncocked (left arm flying wedge). The right forearm and #3 pressure point TRACE the plane line (the right forearm flying wedge). If you right forearm comes in too high you will lose the #3 Accumulator.
The right forearm can not be on plane unless the right elbow is on plane.
 

Brian Manzella

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I have a really good drill for it....I need to make a video....

I'll try my best to explain:
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Set up

take your right hand off the club

leave the club and your left hand at address

make a faux right arm backstroke

have the right forearm come into the ball on the shaft angle

(ps raise the shaft up a little as you 'pivot')
 

EdZ

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In many cases a 'too high' right forearm at impact can be traced back to a right hand grip that is to much on 'top' - Hogan being the exception because he knew how to pivot.

Impact Fix is very important, let it teach you a better setup.

In Homer's view, the left thumb gap and the right hand grip in the 'cup' make proper impact alignments MUCH easier, and I would agree. No need to 'do' anything with the hands - just aim the force and let the ball get in the way BEFORE full extention
 
I struggle with the same problem as alud530 and believe I lack enough axis tilt on the downswing. I think it's a combination of my head moving with the base of my spine starting down and the right elbow not tracing the plane line starting down. I can always feel my left shoulder moving left too quickly when that occurs and the right arm comes in high. Brian, what are the best drills to lower the right shoulder plane starting down.
 

DDL

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All those training aids look like complete rubbish, except perhaps the tic-tac. Is the vision track truly an exception?
 
quote:Originally posted by DDL

All those training aids look like complete rubbish, except perhaps the tic-tac. Is the vision track truly an exception?


Visiontrack is an exception.

Often the rt. arm comes in high because the rt. palm is skyward near the ball(face is open and you MUST DEAL WITH THE FACE).
Call me and I will sell you one and explain to you how to Never Slice Again!!!!!!!!!480-332-2442.
 

DDL

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Your right forearm could be too high at impact because of an OTT move. Brian has mentioned to visualize placing your right shoulder(or hands?) into your right pocket at the start of the downswing.

Your hips slide to the left, towards the target, to keep your right shoulder on plane. Very important not move your head and upper body to the right away from the target, or else you've dropped under plane.

I believe that as long as you maintain that triangle(head and both feet), and tilt the axis with the lower body, putting the right shoulder into your right pocket should be a downplane motion, even though it feels vertical.
 
Vision Track is the best aid I have used (I have tried quite a few). You actually hit balls off it. It is an ALIGNMENT TOOL. TGM = Alignment Golf.
In two days of serious workouts hitting hundreds of balls off it it finally clicked in.
I learned the following:
Correct alignment
Correct spacing from the ball
Correct ball position for straight away flight with each ball.
Correct on plane right forearm takeaway
Correct shoulder turn, pivot and hula hula

Now for the biggies:
Correct down plane movement of the right shoulder (huge for me)
Correct right forearm angle of approach
Correct hinge action and its effect on ball direction

Look at the VJ pics here: http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/80095
The Vision Track is essentially what VJ is doing in the sequence with the sitcks, shafts, water bottle etc.

My shots are flying high and long with a true draw. Still lots of work to do like groove the hinge action.
 
How does the Vision Track accomplish this. Judging from the pictures on the website, i could only see this being successful for someone very visually oriented vs. a more feel orinted player.
 
My short experience letting 6 or 7 different people try it on the range all with various skill levels and ages. The device works visually as well by feel. Typically the golfer approaches impact with the right forearm to high and off plane. The resulting left divot and the clubhead hits the little guide to the left of the ball. You get additional feedback as you notice the shot does not have full compression losing distance and accuracy. Placing the tee to the right of the device the beginning golfer comes over the top and hits the tee. Once you learn and can repeat the correct down right shoulder/angle of approach the next problem appears - hinge action. I swing = horizontal hinge. My swing path now clears the guides no problem but my hinge action dictates whether the ball will curve to far left or right. Left hand = Club face control. I need to improve my left hand control (impact bag?). I need to tinker with clubs (offset/lies)/ball postion in order to get the consistent straight away ball flight.
Again if you have the geometry correct (alignments) you can then set you sights on refining your playing tools,stationary head/neck, pivot, extensor action etc.
I was having so much fun on the range this weekend I never did make it to the course.

PS: The cost is not cheap but Chuck Evans recommends as one of his training aids. Chuck is a top shelf TGM guy. You could duplicate the device using dowels/yard sticks and tees (ala VJ) but you would have to be constantly fiddling/replacing/checking them to make sure your alignments were correct.
 

DDL

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Here is a post from Yoda's site about Harvey Penick's slow motion waggle drill. Matthew quoting Penick.

"Originally posted by Harvey Penick:
THE SLOW-MOTION DRILL is a drill yuou can do at home and it takes much patience and many repetitions, but the time you spnd at it will pay off on the golf course.

Mickey Wright practiced this drill often. As an all-purpose drill that is good for whatever ails your golf swing, this is probably the best. You can do it indoors, so you can do it in bad weather or at night.

When I say slow mtion, I mean really slow, slow motion. If you think you are doing it in slow motion, do it even slower.

Swing the club very slowly to the top of the backswing. Always keep your eye on the blade of grass or the pattern in the carpet that represnts the golf ball; watching the clubhead go back is a terrible habit you can accidentally pick up in this drill and take to the course with you.
As you read the top of the backswing, replace your left heel solidly on the ground and at the same time bring your right elbow in close to your body. Very, very slowly.

Bring the club down in extreme slow motion about one third of the way toward the ball. Then stop a moment and hold it and feel it.
Now start again from your holding position and do it again-swing slowly to the top, lplant the left heel, bring the right elbow close to the body and stop about one third of the way toward the ball.

Do this four times in a row. Don[t get impatient and speed up. Very slowly is the key. After four repetitions, go ahead and make the full swing at last- still in very slow motion-into a high finish with the elbows out front and your coming up slowly as if to watch a good shot. Hold the pose. Feel it.

Now do the whole thing again and and again and again.

What is happening is that your golfing brian and your muscles are learning to start your downswing by planting your weight and moving your lower body to the left and you are coming to the ball from inside with your hands quiet, trailing and still cocked, not leading and spending energy.

Your golfing brain and your muscles learn just as well from repeating the swing in slow motion as from whapping awayon the range. In fact, it can be higher quality learning because no mistakes are bing made in the slow-motion swing...."

And Yoda's comment:
"This is the Downstroke Waggle of 3-F-5. In my opinion, it is far and away the best (if not the only) cure for that genetic deformity of the Golf Stroke --the Flat Downstroke Shoulder Turn (and its resulting 'Outside-In' Path of the Hands) [10-13-B #3]."

I don't know if Yoda was referring to 3-F-5 or Penick's drill when he said "...it is far away the best(if not only) cure..."
 
I have been dealing with the same high forearm problem most of this season. I tend to swing too much inside-out, so I don't believe the problem is limited to an OTT move.

For me, the most effective solution has simply been to take practice swings like VJ did at the PGA -- go to the top of the swing, hold it, then bring the club down to 6/100's position and then swing through to the finish. In bringing down to the 6/100's position you make sure that the forearm comes down more vertical and closer to the right thigh. For what it's worth, Byron Nelson tried to come as close to his right pocket as possible.

Though I'm not a fan of Leadbetter, he says to try to bring the clubshaft back to the address position. I think he means the vertical angle only, because as we know from Brian and TGM the impact fix is different (i.e., forward lean of shaft). This has helped me too.

I just returned from 9 rounds of golf in Scotland and this single swing element kept me within a couple of strokes of par every round there. I'm convinced it's an absolutely critical part of an effective swing.

Bruce
 
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