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curtisj76

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Does anyone have a good pic of how your setup should look(view from behind). I'm afraid my right forearm is higher than my left. From the back, should I be able to see part of my left arm? Right now I cannot, what am I doing wrong and how to fix? Thanks

PS What happens to your swing when the right is above your left? I don't think I have a out to in swing - I don't slice and rarely pull. Thanks again.
 
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Yes, from the down the line we should see the right forearm below the left.

This is accomplished with the proper amount of axis tilt at setup. The left shoulder needs to be set slightly higher than the right. You want the right forearm to be on-plane (in the plane of the shaft) at address. This allows the right arm to support the shaft at impact.
 
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Since my right hand is lower than my left on the club that gives me some tilt already. Is that not enough? Tilt more? How much do you think? Drills? THanks again!
 
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curtisj76 said:
Since my right hand is lower than my left on the club that gives me some tilt already. Is that not enough? Tilt more? How much do you think? Drills? THanks again!
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Tilt is part of the equation, but you need to understand the concept of the flying wedges. Then the right is always lower than the left.

You need to visualize the plane of the club at address and place the the right forearm in that plane. For example, imagine the club is resting on your countertop. Clearly the club rests in that plane (the flat countertop). Now you want to set your right forearm on the same plane as well.

Thus, from the down the line, the right forearm and shaft occupy the same plane at address.
 
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I've seen Yoda's flying wedge drills using dowells. It seems that would be usefull if my right wrist was bent and my left flat but I do the opposite. With Brian's videos he prefers to have a hands in the middle setup. Can I use the dowells to help me with setup with a hands in the middle setup? Thanks
 
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Erik aren't your answers in post 2 and 5 different? Why are you saying the right arm is both onplane and below the left arm? Some people might interpret below the left as under plane, as in "seeing daylight" between the arms. So what are you saying?
 
birdie_man

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Erik_K said:
Yes, from the down the line we should see the right forearm below the left.

This is accomplished with the proper amount of axis tilt at setup. The left shoulder needs to be set slightly higher than the right.
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Great advice.......very important.

Great topic.

You want the right forearm to be on-plane (in the plane of the shaft) at address. This allows the right arm to support the shaft at impact
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I'm sketchy on RF on-plane.....too weird to me....that grip, etc.
 
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Burner

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dbl said:
Erik aren't your answers in post 2 and 5 different? Why are you saying the right arm is both onplane and below the left arm? Some people might interpret below the left as under plane, as in "seeing daylight" between the arms. So what are you saying?
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The left arm is never on plane so the right arm being under it, but on plane, as what we should all be trying to achieve.
 
shortgamer

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I don't see many pros setting up like that but they have the ability to get the arm on plane. For me I've learned it's vital to set up with the forearm on plane. Michael Campell is one that sets up this way.
 
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I think Stuart Appleby sets up with his right forearm on plane. I would kill to have his simplistic motion and distance.
 
curtisj76

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It seems easier for me to get my right forearm on the same plane setting up with my hands forward. Harder with my hands in the middle of my body. Any suggestions?
 
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curtisj76 said:
Since my right hand is lower than my left on the club that gives me some tilt already. Is that not enough? Tilt more? How much do you think? Drills? THanks again!
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I don't honestly buy that the right hand is lower on the grip than the left therefore creating axis tilt automatically.
 
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dbl said:
Erik aren't your answers in post 2 and 5 different? Why are you saying the right arm is both onplane and below the left arm? Some people might interpret below the left as under plane, as in "seeing daylight" between the arms. So what are you saying?
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The right forearm is on plane at setup-that is my understanding of the right arm flying wedge (may not have the terminology exact). Depending on the angle of the camera, you might see not be able to see the left arm above the right (or right forearms slightly lower than the left).

And their may not be much 'daylight' between the arms at setup, but from down the line, I like to see a little chunk of the left forearm above the right.

The correct amount of axis tilt at setup helps ensure this. I don't mean to imply the right arm is under the plane, rather it is visually below the left arm. The left arm, if I am not mistaken is not on plane at address.
 
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I don't honestly buy that the right hand is lower on the grip than the left therefore creating axis tilt automatically.
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Its easy enough to see that when one hand is lower than the other, notwithstanding anatomical differences in the length of your arms, that the lower hand shoulder will, nay must unless you are deformed, also be lower - i.e the axis has tilted.

The further forward the ball is positioned the more pronounced this tilt will be. Additionally, this phenomina also opens up the shoulders and that needs to be guarded against.
 
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Burner said:
The left arm is never on plane so the right arm being under it, but on plane, as what we should all be trying to achieve.
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Oop. Thnx Burner. I wasn't seeing it right.

ETA: Oh, and Erik thanks too. I see your emphasis was on the right arm's position and I was "misreading into" something about the left.
 
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birdie_man said:
Is it really right on plane tho? Or is it close...?

With a grip in the right hand palm?

Doesn't look like it (in this sequence anyway):

http://www.golfdigest.com/swingsequences/index.ssf?/instruction/swingsequences/gd200409appleby.html
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The pics of Appleby are correct. Nice post birdie_man. The right arm is not really on plane with the clubshaft until impact, where the shaft is at a steeper angle than it was at address. The pics of Appleby show this very distinctly.
 
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I don't honestly buy that the right hand is lower on the grip than the left therefore creating axis tilt automatically.
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BINGO!

You're right. The above is something i fix all the time in students. It is EXTREMELY EASY to setup with completely open shoulders, no tilt, and have both hands on the club.

You have to learn how to setup with both hands on the club WITH the right amount of tilt.
 
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