Loooking at redgoat's pictures of certain swings it appears that the right shoulder stays high and back as the club is in the transition from the top to almost impact , looking at els his shoulders are level until just before impact. Would his and love's and other power hitters have this in common where by swingers would lower the right shoulder and raise the left ? What is the majority preference and why?
RIGHT SHOULDER ON DOWNSWING?
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I'm not sure what your seeing but DAVIS in frame 5 has the right shouder higher than the left and ELS in frame 4 has the same thing , only at impact are the left shoulders going up and I remember ELS once talking that he feels the left shoulder separating from his chin at the start of the downswing.
I didn't look at Davis. Els shoulders are not level but if that is what you see, what can I say. They just might be, huh? I'm looking at the head on, not down line.
The left shoulder has to seperate from the chin before it goes up or the chin will knock the head upward too?? Ben calls the nano second before impact, when the hands are in front to the body, storeage. Try frame 5 of ELS,on #'s 3 & 4.. that is pre-impact, storeage. Frame 4 is just the beginning of starting downward.
TYORKE1,
What you are seeing with Els is that he drops his hands independent of his right shoulder. He straightens his right arm downward keeping the right wrist bent and actually decreases the left arm/clubshaft angle(downcocking). This gives a maximum delay, snap release. The right shoulder is pulled down by the right arm action as opposed to the choice of driving the right shoulder downplane before extending the right arm(Trevino). Sergio Garcia and Charles Howell are two others who drop their hands independently of the right shoulder while keeping the shaft close to it. This requires a considerable amount of wrist flexibility. Guys who do this have a small amount of apparent tilt, and in this case the tilt is an effect rather than a cause of downward hand movement.
What you are seeing with Els is that he drops his hands independent of his right shoulder. He straightens his right arm downward keeping the right wrist bent and actually decreases the left arm/clubshaft angle(downcocking). This gives a maximum delay, snap release. The right shoulder is pulled down by the right arm action as opposed to the choice of driving the right shoulder downplane before extending the right arm(Trevino). Sergio Garcia and Charles Howell are two others who drop their hands independently of the right shoulder while keeping the shaft close to it. This requires a considerable amount of wrist flexibility. Guys who do this have a small amount of apparent tilt, and in this case the tilt is an effect rather than a cause of downward hand movement.
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Try to remember that the right shoulder STARTS the downswing higher than the left.
Great post Joe!
Great post Joe!
wally888,
The reason I posted this is because this is my own personal procedure. The #1 pressure point is crucial. The right arm straightening downward is done with this pressure point pushing down hard on the base of the left thumb, while forceably keeping the right wrist bend intact. It feels like you are driving the heel pad of the right hand down(not forward) into the ground with no release point. It also feels like you are driving a vertical shaft perpendicularly into the ground in front of the right toe(this aiming point would probably vary with the player). The other key for me is to keep the right shoulder "high". You avoid "running out of right arm" by using "enough" hand controlled pivot. By hitting enough balls, your body figures out how much pivot is "enough".
The reason I posted this is because this is my own personal procedure. The #1 pressure point is crucial. The right arm straightening downward is done with this pressure point pushing down hard on the base of the left thumb, while forceably keeping the right wrist bend intact. It feels like you are driving the heel pad of the right hand down(not forward) into the ground with no release point. It also feels like you are driving a vertical shaft perpendicularly into the ground in front of the right toe(this aiming point would probably vary with the player). The other key for me is to keep the right shoulder "high". You avoid "running out of right arm" by using "enough" hand controlled pivot. By hitting enough balls, your body figures out how much pivot is "enough".
Wally888 wrote:
Re. "maintaining a bent right wrist" and "downcocking"
"What effect does maintaining PP # 1, or failure to do so, have on one's ability to do either of the above?"
Question refined.
Considering that most all swing gurus state, the club is gripped primarily by the two middle fingers of the right hand. Can the required pressure at PP #1 be applied w/o the help of the little finger? In order to maintain enough pressure at PP #1, I seem to have to apply at least as much, if not more , pressure w/ little finger (overlap) as w/ two middle fingers.
wally888,
I understand what your asking now, and my impression is that there is increased pressure on the inner SIDE of the right pinkie against the inside of the left forefinger which is due to the PP #1 pressure against the base of the left thumb. But the point is that the pressure on the pinkie is an effect of other actions and there is no clamping pressure by the pinkie.
I understand what your asking now, and my impression is that there is increased pressure on the inner SIDE of the right pinkie against the inside of the left forefinger which is due to the PP #1 pressure against the base of the left thumb. But the point is that the pressure on the pinkie is an effect of other actions and there is no clamping pressure by the pinkie.
I find early setting of the wrists(by applying a little pressure on the handle with the fleshy part of the left hand) and club in toe up position going back seems to put everything else in proper position. I do sometimes have my left shoulder a bit high on set up, not alot but just a bit higher than normal, is this a problem?
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