Role of the "Core" in the swing/pivot
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Michael Jacobs
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I do this type of program, touched on it in my speech at the tgm summit - on the use of the core and improving through Pilates...... I do a pilates program , have an awesome pilates instructor! Brian Manzella, when he was in NY came to the gym with me and witnessed an Explosive Golf Nuclear golf swing Pilates Session. When I made explosive golf i weighed 195 lbs - after a serious run with the pilates program and the Zone Diet - I weigh 160 lbs .... feel great
Explosive Golf 2 & 3, which is being worked on will have a whole segment on this subject. To describe it in a quick sentence - walloping with core - I would say on the backswing turn inside your shirt and the downswing turn inside your pants seeing yourself do this from the thighs up to the rib cage which is pulled out of your stomach and not slumped into it.......
This is the essence behind a stroke with the utmost in mechanical advantage - exactly like what Brian was describing in Flipper.... I will say this - I finally saw flipper the other day - Brian described what its all about - However to Brian and all , don't be contradicted on what a hand controlled pivot is -- what is described in flipper and explosive golf and all of Ben doyle's stuff - that is a hand controlled pivot - Hands controlling how the pivot moves them --- The idea that the hands should do the moving and then pull the pivot and that kind of stuff ---- that is like someone in the water splashing their arms around and calling it swimming...... or maybe someone sitting at a piano banging the keys and calling music --- Sorrry - not a good idea!
Picture a duck - gliding across the water - they look smooth yet those little feet they have are internal working hard to do the work
Explosive Golf 2 & 3, which is being worked on will have a whole segment on this subject. To describe it in a quick sentence - walloping with core - I would say on the backswing turn inside your shirt and the downswing turn inside your pants seeing yourself do this from the thighs up to the rib cage which is pulled out of your stomach and not slumped into it.......
This is the essence behind a stroke with the utmost in mechanical advantage - exactly like what Brian was describing in Flipper.... I will say this - I finally saw flipper the other day - Brian described what its all about - However to Brian and all , don't be contradicted on what a hand controlled pivot is -- what is described in flipper and explosive golf and all of Ben doyle's stuff - that is a hand controlled pivot - Hands controlling how the pivot moves them --- The idea that the hands should do the moving and then pull the pivot and that kind of stuff ---- that is like someone in the water splashing their arms around and calling it swimming...... or maybe someone sitting at a piano banging the keys and calling music --- Sorrry - not a good idea!
Picture a duck - gliding across the water - they look smooth yet those little feet they have are internal working hard to do the work
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jpvegas1
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Role of the core
How fast a player can rotate their trunk is the largest determinant of clubhead speed. I did master's work in biomechanics a few years ago and studied pitching and throwing velocity. Although pitching was analyzed and not the golf swing there are more similarities than difference between the two. Our group found that the biggest contributor to throwing velocity was speed of openning of the left hip (for a right handed pitcher). This would correspond to how fast the right handed golfer could open the left hip.
Core strength contributes but is not the sole determiner or speed of rotation.
How fast a player can rotate their trunk is the largest determinant of clubhead speed. I did master's work in biomechanics a few years ago and studied pitching and throwing velocity. Although pitching was analyzed and not the golf swing there are more similarities than difference between the two. Our group found that the biggest contributor to throwing velocity was speed of openning of the left hip (for a right handed pitcher). This would correspond to how fast the right handed golfer could open the left hip.
Core strength contributes but is not the sole determiner or speed of rotation.
mandrin
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Jim McLean mentions in one of his books:
“I used to watch de Vincenzo and Sam Snead playing senior golf in Orlando in the mid-1970s … Roberto told me that he hit the ball with his stomach. At least that was the feeling he had when moving his body through the impact zone.......
Roberto’s swing concept, involving the stomach, might be a little esoteric…. It’s a brilliant swing thought to steal from a phenomenal swinger of a club, an extremely long hitter, and one of the greatest players of all time.”
Michael, does de Vincenzo’s idea resonate a bit with your ideas about the role of the ’core’ in the swing? Do you feel that cultivating a mental image of a ‘power center’ for the swing somewhere in the midsection to be useful?
FloydPT38
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Exactly- The "core" is often a very vague term with sports and exercise in general. Golfers or any trunk turning athlete should first look at their hips to improve clubhead speed. Gluteals and hip rotators are tied inexoribly to abdominal musculature which is often the only muscles thought of when discussing the core.
Look first at not only hip flexibility (which is important) - but also do you have any pain-esp around the hip rotators (poke yourself in the back pocket and see if it's sore), or go to the end of your backswing and follow-through seeing if there is any feeling of resistance/very slight pain in your hips.- then work on increasing your basic strength with hip stability and power.
After focusing on your hips you could look at abdominal exercises.
Michael Jacobs
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Hey Mandrin,
Somewhat the idea, the closest description that i can give is the one about the duck gliding on water - yet its feet asre doing the swimming - truly internal . That is a definitely interesting statement you typed in there....
The feel that I have from learning my mechanics is:
(A Snap Release)
I feel like I sit and tilt until my club smashes down on the ball - I just stay submerged in it - until I get the "GIFT"
-Ben calls it holding on and aiming - I can say to all - Brians Flipper movie is outstanding - Until you can do what brian described in Flipper - trying to manually do it is worse than useless
Somewhat the idea, the closest description that i can give is the one about the duck gliding on water - yet its feet asre doing the swimming - truly internal . That is a definitely interesting statement you typed in there....
The feel that I have from learning my mechanics is:
(A Snap Release)
I feel like I sit and tilt until my club smashes down on the ball - I just stay submerged in it - until I get the "GIFT"
-Ben calls it holding on and aiming - I can say to all - Brians Flipper movie is outstanding - Until you can do what brian described in Flipper - trying to manually do it is worse than useless
self-mastery
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I swing a 25lb plate to work my core.
I would give anything to swing like the guy in my avatar........
I would give anything to swing like the guy in my avatar........
Brian Manzella
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What a GREAT Thread....
I love thread where there is a good question and great responses.
That's what makes this site the best, REAL DISCUSSION.
My feeling on this is simple, I gave a lesson yesterday to a golfer from Ohio.
He—like many of you—has watched flipper. I showed him how FAR FROM THE BALL THE LEFT HIP AND LEFT SHOULDER SHOULD BE AT IMPACT!
While demonstrating I hit the best pitchs and chips that I have in a LONG time. Tiger Woods quality. Why would ANYONE think that ZERO PIVOT is better?
Ah well....more for me.
I love thread where there is a good question and great responses.
That's what makes this site the best, REAL DISCUSSION.
My feeling on this is simple, I gave a lesson yesterday to a golfer from Ohio.
He—like many of you—has watched flipper. I showed him how FAR FROM THE BALL THE LEFT HIP AND LEFT SHOULDER SHOULD BE AT IMPACT!
While demonstrating I hit the best pitchs and chips that I have in a LONG time. Tiger Woods quality. Why would ANYONE think that ZERO PIVOT is better?
Ah well....more for me.
bcoak
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golfbulldog
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Axis tilt??? sounds like it...
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