Search for the Perfect Swing.........

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tallathlete

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These boys had it right almost 50 years ago. How did golf pros across the globe manage to screw it up so badly for so long...and still to this day get it wrong?

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Kevin Shields

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I agree. Those of us who read this book, and Hebron, and TGM and just through trial and error never made the mistake of teaching or discussing this topic incorrectly.
 
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ej20

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I read something along those lines 20 years ago.Can't remember the source but it also mentioned that as clubhead speeds gets higher,the path will start to have more influence on the initial direction the ball starts.For example,at 70 mph,the ball starts at say 80% of clubface but at 120mph,the ball will start at 60%.These figures are just guesses of course to make the point clear but what does the science say about this?Is it correct?
 
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wulsy

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Jim Hardy in a recent video discussing how shots are missed to the left said, "it might not curve a lot...you may have just slapped the club to the outside of the ball and closed it, rather than rolled it over. If you roll over a club to close it, its going to hit more the side of the ball and you will get sidespin. If you just "slapped" it, the club didn't really lose its loft, and your still going to get a lot of backspin and the ball will appear as a pull."

After about 3:00 he talks about different clubface movements leading to more/less hook. Just wondering how the trakman experts see this. My take on it is that the extra rotation he speaks about just really produces a more closed face at impact, so producing more hook. Right?
 
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Lindsey Newman

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Search for the Perfect swing is in my top 3 instruction titles. I have owned it for 15 years and probably look through it once a week to this very day.
 
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spktho

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wulsy said:
Jim Hardy in a recent video discussing how shots are missed to the left said, "it might not curve a lot...you may have just slapped the club to the outside of the ball and closed it, rather than rolled it over. If you roll over a club to close it, its going to hit more the side of the ball and you will get sidespin. If you just "slapped" it, the club didn't really lose its loft, and your still going to get a lot of backspin and the ball will appear as a pull."

After about 3:00 he talks about different clubface movements leading to more/less hook. Just wondering how the trakman experts see this. My take on it is that the extra rotation he speaks about just really produces a more closed face at impact, so producing more hook. Right?
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I'm no TM expert, but I think I have a functional understanding of the D-plane and I can't agree with most of what Mr. Hardy is explaining. Just as the above book excerpts say, you really can't separate the pull due to path from the pull due to club face--open faced ott slice that starts right and goes farther right, but the path is way left--as the ball starts about 70-80% in the direction of the club face. Second, you can hook or draw the ball more with the same club face angle and just change the path. The change in club face angle will make the ball start in a different direction, the differential between club face and path will make the ball curve.
 
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Lindsey Newman

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What are the other two?


To round out my top 5 in no particular order and for various reasons of preference:

"Golf Mind, Golf Body, Golf Swing" (Michael Hebron)
"Golf-The Winning Formula" (Nick Faldo)
"Bobby Jones on Golf" (Bobby Jones obviously)
"The Four Magic Moves to winning Golf" (Joe Dante)
 
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DCgolf

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In my Trackman Performance Studio, I go immediately to the tab that reads, "clubface to path ratio". It is spot on every time. I cany imagine it being anything but that....thoughts?
 
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DCgolf said:
In my Trackman Performance Studio, I go immediately to the tab that reads, "clubface to path ratio". It is spot on every time. I cany imagine it being anything but that....thoughts?
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I am reading this book by Adams, Tomasi, Suttie that is titled the "Golf Swing LAWS" and came across the section on ball flight, wish I read this section (and the following 3 pages) when I was a kid hitting a push fade. Maybe I would not be an under planer.

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I spent 2 hours with both Tomasi and Suttie separately a few months back, brilliant men. I really liked Jim Suttie and his studio has every toy known to man and some that man might not know of yet...
 
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gmbtempe said:
I am reading this book by Adams, Tomasi, Suttie that is titled the "Golf Swing LAWS" and came across the section on ball flight, wish I read this section (and the following 3 pages) when I was a kid hitting a push fade. Maybe I would not be an under planer.

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2 pages after the page you've embedded above (in the Ball Flight: Push Hook Section) it says, "...fix the path first because many times when you fix the path, the face will fix itself after a few swings."


I thought that was opposite the current method of correction/instruction. Shouldn't we focus on fixing the face first?
 
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dbl

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I believe the general Manzella approach says...for slicers fix the face first, for better players/hookers fix the path.
 
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gmbtempe

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The two are apples and oranges to me and it really needs to be determined by the teacher when he is working with the student. I hook the ball and I don't think I would fix my face, its a path issue.
 
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