Setup Differences????

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jazzmik

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Hi all,

This is part of an email I sent to Brian (no response yet)... so I thought I would post it here. I've edited some of the text to direct it to the forum in general as opposed to an email to Brian.

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I have just recently discovered TGM and Brian's forum.

I have been reading posts on Chuck evans forum, ordered his videos....
and just this past Friday 13th .... took a half day lesson.

With that said.....

I have a few questions regarding Brian's articles (in particular the "Get in Position to Play Your Best" article). There are some MAJOR differences in how Chuck and Brian setup. Just more confusion for me.

Anyway.....


- Get in position:

Chuck:
1. tilt/push the right hip in at address

2. hands in front/center of left thigh at address (forward lean of shaft). Like Chuck says... The way the manufacturer designed the club to play.

3. ball position :
driver - even with left shoulder socket,
wedge - center,
5iron - lined up with left pocket/pec


Manzella:
1. no tilt

2. butt of club at the belt buckle, arms ‘unit’ appears centered to body

3. 1 ball postion (basically).... stance widens/narrows


Better? Worse? Or just another way of doing things?
Does one approach reflect TGM more than the other?


Thanks in advance.
Mike
 
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McDuff

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Manzella's sounds more "TGM", after impact fix . I curious.. by "tilt the right hip in" do you mean tilt your spine to the right at address? This is something the Tom Stickney teaches quite a bit and I beleive is important. Sets you up a bit inside and behind the ball..
 
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quote:Originally posted by McDuff

Manzella's sounds more "TGM", after impact fix . I curious.. by "tilt the right hip in" do you mean tilt your spine to the right at address? This is something the Tom Stickney teaches quite a bit and I beleive is important. Sets you up a bit inside and behind the ball..
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If you haven't seen his video... He demonstrates the setup by pushing his right hip inward... which creates the axis. So yes there is a slight tilt to the spine.
 
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DukeNasty

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quote:

- Get in position:

Chuck:
1. tilt/push the right hip in at address

2. hands in front/center of left thigh at address (forward lean of shaft). Like Chuck says... The way the manufacturer designed the club to play.

3. ball position :
driver - even with left shoulder socket,
wedge - center,
5iron - lined up with left pocket/pec


Thanks in advance.
Mike
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This is how I setup and it is very different than what most teach. As a side note, it yields ridiculous power and ridiculous accuracy. FWIW, this was taught to me by a TGM instructor and I drilled the forward swing extensively using a "chip stick" (fiberglass dowel in butt end of club) in order to educate my hands. This drill really didn't come until after I had developed the proper stance and proper pivot though.

The way we attacked my swing (and still do) is stance and then pivot. A lot of times, this will fix the movement of the arms and club. I had a lesson the other day and I had deviated from the reverse "K" setup which began to cause a few problems. My instructor "re-educated" me and has me working again on my pivot. the feel I am after is like my left butt cheek moves towards the target, my right butt cheek slides forward against an imaginary wall, while my left shoulder rotates over my right knee. Again, for lack of a better term, the butt cheek feels are merely just feels. On video, my lower body looks extremely stable. Weird how that works.

This has put the club perfectly on plane going back and down through the ball. As far as ball position is concerned, driver is off the left shoulder which is even with the left heel because of the reverse K setup. Long and mid irons are about at the mid point of the left shoulder, and wedges are flush with the left ear. Again, remember the reverse K position makes this possible and for me, IT WORKS!!

I think the beauty of TGM is the possibilities. I am not smart enough to know which components match one another and which don't which is why I follow the blueprint developed for me by my instructor. Consequently, I would stick with Chuck's teachings if that is working for you and if you intend on continuing your education with Chuck. It seems that many TGM instructors have slight differences in what they teach.

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Basically if you are a swinger: mid-body works best—hitter:forward, impact-like hands are the way to go.

I teach more of a swinging procedure mostly, but not always, and Chuck E. is mainly a hitter teacher that will let you swing if you already do it.

MID BODY hands is one of my key elements when i teach, however, and it has WORKED beautifully on nearly 100% of my students.
 
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McDuff

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Brian,others .. what would you consider the "modern" swing as described by Mike Adams (similar to Lead, Jim McLean). Right knee flexed, very little hip turn, compact..?
 
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quote:Originally posted by brianman

Basically if you are a swinger: mid-body works best—hitter:forward, impact-like hands are the way to go.

I teach more of a swinging procedure mostly, but not always, and Chuck E. is mainly a hitter teacher that will let you swing if you already do it.

MID BODY hands is one of my key elements when i teach, however, and it has WORKED beautifully on nearly 100% of my students.
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Brian: Toms seems to have impact -like hands not mid-body ones here http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzella/.Movies/dtatocdriver.mov

Is he a hitter? Thanks.
 
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jazzmik

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

Basically if you are a swinger: mid-body works best—hitter:forward, impact-like hands are the way to go.

I teach more of a swinging procedure mostly, but not always, and Chuck E. is mainly a hitter teacher that will let you swing if you already do it.

MID BODY hands is one of my key elements when i teach, however, and it has WORKED beautifully on nearly 100% of my students.
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Hmmm.....

Interesting because Chuck told me based on what he saw from me he was developing a SWINGER pattern for me.
 
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