Short Irons - Big Push off toe

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Hello,

I have been having a problem with my short irons and wedges. I will hit big pushes (45 degrees offline) and the contact is off the toe. I occasionally hit them straight, or pull them, but the are very weak and don't have much altitude. This problem just started today, however I did it a few times over the weekend with my 9 iron.

I bought NSA 2 weeks ago and it have really helped my swing. I actually started hitting dead straight and occasional hooks with my 3 wood, 5 wood and hybrid. I am backing off on the twistaway to get a straighter ball. I'm not sure if thats causing the issue, but it's pretty bad when I can smoke a 3 wood 210 yards down the fairway and them hit a big push with a PW.

Any ideas what would cause toe contact pushes with my short irons?

Thanks for the help!
 
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curtisj76 said:
Are you 100% sure they are off the toe??
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I'm pretty sure but not 100%. I have not used impact paper but I saw scuffs on the toe, so I starting cleaning my club after each swing. Maybe my toe is grabbing the turf but something was causing scuffs on the toe and the shot felt dead.

I will double check tomorrow. I have no idea where the pushes or blocks came from. I just shot a 54 (which is not good as I usually around 45) but I did not hit any pushes and all my 3 and 5 woods off the tee were great. I decided to hit some range balls after the 9 holes. I hit a few good wedges then the pushes started and never really stopped with my short irons. When they happened to go straight they were dead with no altitude.

Oddly my 5 wood and hybrid are good with a bit of a hook. I'm not sure if the two are related. I have been trying to tame down my twistaway because I was really hooking the ball earlier (which is great as I used to be a nasty slicer!)
 
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curtisj76 said:
You could be shanking it.
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I don't think so as everyone goes dead right at a 30-45 degree angle. Don't shanks go all over the place?

I feel like my swing is too upright with the short irons but it may no be. I am making a full turn but no help. My woods are fine.
 
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Thanks I have never had them before. I was almost sure I was making toe impact.

Is it normal to hit woods straight and long and shank the short irons?

Any drills you would suggest?

Thanks
 
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You may be coming from the inside too much (you mentioned pushes and hooks). There's an all-star post on here from BManz. Try to search for "shank" and look for a huge thread. Tons of info in it including a video.
 
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If it is in fact a shank, perhaps you are lagging the hosel instead of the sweetspot and you are not maintaining the twistaway in your downswing with your short irons. I believe there is a chapter on this in NSA. I would review that area first.
 
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I'll review that chapter in NSA and do the search for Bmanz.

You may be right about lagging the hosel. I have had to reduce my twistaway because I started hooking my woods. Now my woods are real good but it is not working for my short irons.

Thanks!
 
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Well I went to the range today and I am hitting off the toe not shanking. So my clubface must be wide open at impact. I feel that I am coming in very steep with my wedges and my swing does not feel proper with them. My hybrid and 5 wood were good with the hits between the center and toe. I got some video of it to review today.
 
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sounds like u and i got the same problem... i just saw your post after i asked the forum for help about why i might be toe-ing my wedges, while my woods striking has improved... hope we can fix this...:confused:
 
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bamfur said:
sounds like u and i got the same problem... i just saw your post after i asked the forum for help about why i might be toe-ing my wedges, while my woods striking has improved... hope we can fix this...:confused:
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qspilotcmh confesses to coming in very steep with his wedges so the fix I offered you will work for him also. :)
 
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Here are a few videos. I am coming over the top and very steep. I was pretty sore and tired while filming the shots and its shows! I have been striking the ball so well the past 2 weeks I don't know where the OTT came from. Maybe my body is too tired and taking the easy route back to the ball, however my practice swings are on plane. Anyway it's not the shanks I am making contact on the toe. Some of the 9 Irons went straight so it's an improvement from yesterday! My hybrid was alright but short and mostly straight with some weak pulls and pushes and one lovely draw!

9 Iron DL Toe Shot

9I DL OTT Toe contact | Short Iron | Swing Video | Wide Divots

9 Iron practice swings (more on plane)

9 Iron DL Practice Swings | Down the Line | View Video | Wide Divots

5 Hybrid DL OTT Straight Shot

5 Hybrid DL OTT Straight | Down the Line | View Video | Wide Divots

5 Hybrid Dl practice swings (again more on plane)

5 Hybrid DL Practice Swings | Down the Line | View Video | Wide Divots
 
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QSPILOTCMH said:
Anyway it's not the shanks I am making contact on the toe.

9 Iron DL Toe Shot
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That 9i sure is a toe shot and you can see why if you pause the vid' at 01.34 and move slowly through to 01.39.

On your down swing, check out the shaft of your club as it approaches/reaches parallel to the ground - it sure 'aint parallel to your target line but is seriously out to in. This ensures that you are "swinging left", as per the modern idiom, but have not quite grasped the concept.

When you next go to the range, just try hitting a few balls wide of the second baseman's left hand and feel the difference.
 
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Burner said:
That 9i sure is a toe shot and you can see why if you pause the vid' at 01.34 and move slowly through to 01.39.

On your down swing, check out the shaft of your club as it approaches/reaches parallel to the ground - it sure 'aint parallel to your target line but is seriously out to in. This ensures that you are "swinging left", as per the modern idiom, but have not quite grasped the concept.

When you next go to the range, just try hitting a few balls wide of the second baseman's left hand and feel the difference.
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Thanks for the tip. I certainly need to flatten my downswing. I am going to work on it tomorrow. With NSA I got the clubface fixed now back to the swing plane. I am going to try my Inside Approach training aid tomorrow.

Any other drills would be helpful. It appears I am also taking the club to the inside on the way back which may be causing the OTT.
 
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>>>...which may be causing the OTT.<<<

Personally, I don't think so.

Were the practice swings using the same backswing?
 
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dbl said:
>>>...which may be causing the OTT.<<<

Personally, I don't think so.

Were the practice swings using the same backswing?
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Looking at the video no. My practice swings were more to the inside and a fuller turn. I noticed that I allowed my head to move more giving me a fuller turn. It may have been caused my a strain in the right side of my neck from the day before.

I rested yesterday and I am heading to the range this morning.
 
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