Shoulder motion on backswing

[bcoak]

Is there way to tell if your shoulders are turning correctly in the backswing? I feel like mine aren't turning down and around enough, more just around - almost like a baseball swing.

 

[bcoak]

This is a good visual of what I am talking about. O'hair turns his shoulders under and around, I feel like mine just go back and around without the under part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7syEPDKm_U&mode=related&search=

 

[djm]

Brian did a short piece on the shoulder turn on the backswing:

http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=7864

 

[Brian Manzella]

But....

Ok,

PGA TOUR players use—for the most part—a Shoulder Turn that is steeper than the one I would teach to a large portion of the golfing world.

Why?

Because they can still get THEIR RIGHT SHOULDER DEEP ENOUGH!!!

Because they STILL don't reverse pivot doing it.

Because they can pass "Manzella Test #1 & #2" in their sleep.

Manzella Test #1

Place three balls in a row, 90° to the plane line, about 3 inches apart. Hit the middle ball.

You pass if the "divot" or scrape is in front of the line.​

Manzella Test #2

While doing #1, you can hook the ball (on purpose) three straight times.​

If you can pass those tests...you may need a steeper shoulder turn. You may not.

 

[Leek]

Great question. I think about this all the time. I was going to ask Brian if the LEFT shoulder should trace the straight line plane.

 

[bcoak]

Like this?


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Divot in front of the middle ball?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Like this?


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Divot in front of the middle ball?

YES!!

 

[tongzilla]

Golf's Answer Man:

Ok,

PGA TOUR players use—for the most part—a Shoulder Turn that is steeper than the one I would teach to a large portion of the golfing world.

Why?

Because they can still get THEIR RIGHT SHOULDER DEEP ENOUGH!!!

Because they STILL don't reverse pivot doing it.

Because they can pass "Manzella Test #1 & #2" in their sleep.

Manzella Test #1

Place three balls in a row, 90° to the plane line, about 3 inches apart. Hit the middle ball.

You pass if the "divot" or scrape is in front of the line.​

Manzella Test #2

While doing #1, you can hook the ball (on purpose) three straight times.​

If you can pass those tests...you may need a steeper shoulder turn. You may not.

What's the driving range mat version of these tests?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Great Question....

What's the driving range mat version of these tests?

Put a penny (or similar smal coin) about two to three inches in front of your ball. Hit it to pass #1. Hit it and Hook It 3 times straight to pass #2.

 

[djm]

In my estimation it is difficult for most non tour caliber players to make a steep shoulder turn on the backswing without messing up their spine angle and/or axis tilt is so doing, often leading to a reverse pivot. Possible, but tough for most to pull off. Of course, I would bet 90%+ of such golfers could not pass Manzella test #2, so I do not read Brian as recommending it to too many people.

 

[bcoak]

Ok,

PGA TOUR players use—for the most part—a Shoulder Turn that is steeper than the one I would teach to a large portion of the golfing world.

Why?

Because they can still get THEIR RIGHT SHOULDER DEEP ENOUGH!!!

Because they STILL don't reverse pivot doing it.

Because they can pass "Manzella Test #1 & #2" in their sleep.

Manzella Test #1

Place three balls in a row, 90° to the plane line, about 3 inches apart. Hit the middle ball.

You pass if the "divot" or scrape is in front of the line.​

Manzella Test #2

While doing #1, you can hook the ball (on purpose) three straight times.​

If you can pass those tests...you may need a steeper shoulder turn. You may not.

I passed #1 but can't hook it. Did this with my normal turn. What next pro?

 

[Leek]

Brian did a short piece on the shoulder turn on the backswing:

http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=7864

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