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pokerlife
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I would rather learn the proper way to hit long irons.
It can only make your ball striking better if you learn to hit these suckers
softconsult
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A couple of things. There isn't much loft on a 4 or a 3 iron. You need enough clubhead speed to get them to work, maybe not a problem for you. Think about ball position. If you are hitting them right, it's probable that you have the ball too far back for your swing. Too far back, and your clubface won't closing in time.
I would stop at the 4 iron and go hybrid from there up. I have a few hybrids. I use the 3iron replacement, but have stopped using the 4 iron replacement. The 4 iron just launches too high. These are Titleist hybrids. Also have some Bobby Jones examples and they are higher yet.
I would stop at the 4 iron and go hybrid from there up. I have a few hybrids. I use the 3iron replacement, but have stopped using the 4 iron replacement. The 4 iron just launches too high. These are Titleist hybrids. Also have some Bobby Jones examples and they are higher yet.
Too inside-out.
i think i lot has to do with tempo,,,IF you have no problem with shorter irons.
the shaft is longer. in and by itself it creates or demands a different control issue. i would experiment with different tempos to see which one fits better. imo, a wrong tempo will open the gate to all kinds of problems and just fixing those those problems pe se often does not correct the root of the problem.
swing easier. better contact, better outcome.
the other issue is fear or prejudice. to many, deep inside, long irons are the ones to avoid. pretend you love them
the shaft is longer. in and by itself it creates or demands a different control issue. i would experiment with different tempos to see which one fits better. imo, a wrong tempo will open the gate to all kinds of problems and just fixing those those problems pe se often does not correct the root of the problem.
swing easier. better contact, better outcome.
the other issue is fear or prejudice. to many, deep inside, long irons are the ones to avoid. pretend you love them
I agree with this completely. This is how I've taken to practicing on the range, especially when warming up prior to a round; trying to make sure I hit my 3 iron solid and relatively straight (got the tip from Tom Watson). I've discovered that I can get away with a lot with the short irons, and that my particular swing faults are hidden with them. Whenever I get to hitting the 3 iron solid, it translates all the way through the bag.
softconsult
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I think the modern 3 iron is simply too much for Joe 6 pack. I you have the swing speed and a good enough golf swing, then certainly go for it.
Aside from being harder to strike well,you need adequate clubhead speed otherwise they are useless even if you hit them straight and solid.
The whole idea with irons is that you get this 11 or 12 yard gap in carry between clubs.If you don't have the clubhead speed to carry the 4 iron much further than the 5 then why have it in the bag?The 3 is even harder to hit.Lets not forget that todays 3 iron loft is Ben Hogan's 2 iron loft.
If you have to swing out of your shoes to get the carry then of course you are going to spray them.
The whole idea with irons is that you get this 11 or 12 yard gap in carry between clubs.If you don't have the clubhead speed to carry the 4 iron much further than the 5 then why have it in the bag?The 3 is even harder to hit.Lets not forget that todays 3 iron loft is Ben Hogan's 2 iron loft.
If you have to swing out of your shoes to get the carry then of course you are going to spray them.
pokerlife
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i think i lot has to do with tempo,,,IF you have no problem with shorter irons.
the shaft is longer. in and by itself it creates or demands a different control issue. i would experiment with different tempos to see which one fits better. imo, a wrong tempo will open the gate to all kinds of problems and just fixing those those problems pe se often does not correct the root of the problem.
swing easier. better contact, better outcome.
the other issue is fear or prejudice. to many, deep inside, long irons are the ones to avoid. pretend you love them
Good ideas golfdad! Im going to use some jedi mind tricks with the 4 and 3 iron lol.
Just simply trick myself that I'm hitting a 7iron.
I hit my shorter irons pretty pure , even hit my 5 iron good 90% of the time.
From what im reading on here though a smooth swing will not work and im going to have to swing harder with the 3 and 4
for instance, to go along with this fake it until you make it thinking, you may want to choke down on your 3 and 4 and get to know them that way first, and then,,,
this "swing harder" business in the hands of people who really know how is probably intuitive. But, for many, the thought of "swinging harder" often kills the horse before the gate is popped open
i am not a teacher, but i still stick my neck out and maintain that it is much wiser to experience the proper contact if it is easier to achieve with swinging "easier" than to swing "hard" and hit it all over with stinging hands and then throw the clubs in the air and call it a bad day
Kevin Shields
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All good points but also remember a 3 iron back in the day had 4 or 5 degrees more loft on it than now. Plus these "game improvement" clubs are harder to square up then the old stuff.
Kevin, can you expand a little further on why GI clubs are harder to square up than the old stuff.
Is it because typically the blade length is longer?
pokerlife
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My set is pretty old. They are callaway with a red with a s2h2 red lettering on the back of the clubface.
They almost look like blades but there not. They were given to me by a friend.
Kevin Shields
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Someone who makes clubs can do it better than me, but something about once they start sqaring they are easier. But its harder to get them sqaring in the first place because of toe weighting and such.
If someone else can expand on that, please do.....I aint no club maker
Lindsey Newman
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I was looking at Bernhard Langer's setup the other day and noticed that he had game improvement type clubs UNTIL his longer irons in which he had Hogan blades. Stands to reason that he feels they are easier to hit. Surprising indeed. I have always blade blades for the most part.
I would assume that when you have irons that move weight away from the center for perimeter weighting, it means that more weight is moved toward the toe which could possibly slow it's natural squaring. Maybe? I guess?
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