Something to think about....

[Brian Manzella]

From the transition to just past impact, you are trying to get the club from a location to through a location, with a certain amount of speed.


There are many things to ponder....

1. What the club actually does during this time in six degree of freedom 3D space.

2. What the club looks like it is doing on 2D video from various angles.

3. What the shoulder complexes, arms, and hands actually do during this time in six degree of freedom 3D space.

4. What the shoulder complexes, arms, and hands look like they are doing on 2D video from various angles.

5. What the body actually does during this time in six degree of freedom 3D space.

6. What the body looks like it is doing on 2D video from various angles.

7. What the golfer is trying to do to the club.

8. What the golfer feels like he is doing to the club.

9. What the teacher is telling the golfer to do to the club.

10. What the gofer thinks the teacher is telling them to do to the club.

11. What the golfer is actually doing to the club.

12. What the golfer is trying to do to the shoulder complexes, arms, and hands.

13. What the golfer feels like he is doing to the shoulder complexes, arms, and hands.

14. What the teacher is telling the golfer to do to the shoulder complexes, arms, and hands.

15. What the gofer thinks the teacher is telling them to do to the shoulder complexes, arms, and hands.

16. What the golfer is actually doing to the shoulder complexes, arms, and hands.

12. What the golfer is trying to do to the shoulder body.

13. What the golfer feels like he is doing to the body.

14. What the teacher is telling the golfer to do to the body.

15. What the gofer thinks the teacher is telling them to do to the body.

16. What the golfer is actually doing to the body.

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Did I miss anything?

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[wulsy]

Probably, but nevertheless I get it. Don't tell everyone how it really works, it'll spoil the fun!

 

[mgranato]

I would add a couple "whens" in there...

When do you need to start moving X to have it in position Y.

When the teacher is telling you to have the club in position Y, when do you need to start moving X to get it there.

Thanks to the Anti-Summits, coming to grips with how much "lead time" is require to make changes to a .5 second downswing has been huge for me. "When" has been every bit as important as "what".

 

[Billy McKinney]

BManz, this list is phenomenal. And the spreads between the actuals and the perceptions are what golf is all about. And the art of communicating these differences is what teaching is all about. The vast majority of golfers are like teenagers who think they know everything...while they know only what it seems.
MGran, the 4th dimension is indeed your realm of expertise.

 

[tongzilla]

The questions is- can you teach/play good golf without knowing what ACTUALLY happens?

 

[ParHunter]

12. What the golfer is trying to do to the shoulder complexes, arms, and hands.

13. What the golfer feels like he is doing to the shoulder complexes, arms, and hands.

14. What the teacher is telling the golfer to do to the shoulder complexes, arms, and hands.

15. What the gofer thinks the teacher is telling them to do to the shoulder complexes, arms, and hands.

16. What the golfer is actually doing to the shoulder complexes, arms, and hands.

12. What the golfer is trying to do to the shoulder body.

13. What the golfer feels like he is doing to the body.

14. What the teacher is telling the golfer to do to the body.

15. What the gofer thinks the teacher is telling them to do to the body.

16. What the golfer is actually doing to the body.

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Did I miss anything?

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Yes you missed 17, 18, 19, 20 and 21 ;-)

 

[ej20]

The questions is- can you teach/play good golf without knowing what ACTUALLY happens?

I believe you can but first you need a little something called talent.How many scratch players do you know that carries a copy of TGM in his backpocket and a list of the 30 components required to just start the club back?

 

[Virtuoso]

BManz, this list is phenomenal. And the spreads between the actuals and the perceptions are what golf is all about. And the art of communicating these differences is what teaching is all about. The vast majority of golfers are like teenagers who think they know everything...while they know only what it seems.
MGran, the 4th dimension is indeed your realm of expertise.

Teenagers are bad, but nothing compared to a junior in college...who won't hesitate to "rise to full height" and tell you exactly how the world works.

 

[wulsy]

Teenagers are bad, but nothing compared to a junior in college...who won't hesitate to "rise to full height" and tell you exactly how the world works.

Hey Virt, you need to be totally self assured and be on the cutting edge of the latest developments (like the Bman). Then no one will question you. No one messes with a real arrogant MOFA.

 

[drewyallop]

BManz, this list is phenomenal. And the spreads between the actuals and the perceptions are what golf is all about. And the art of communicating these differences is what teaching is all about. The vast majority of golfers are like teenagers who think they know everything...while they know only what it seems.
MGran, the 4th dimension is indeed your realm of expertise.

Yes Billy, it is what teaching is all about and exactly why teaching is so difficult and good teachers are rare.

Drew

 

[hp12c]

I would add a couple "whens" in there...

When do you need to start moving X to have it in position Y.

When the teacher is telling you to have the club in position Y, when do you need to start moving X to get it there.

Thanks to the Anti-Summits, coming to grips with how much "lead time" is require to make changes to a .5 second downswing has been huge for me. "When" has been every bit as important as "what".

Ive been rumunitating this in my little brain/head for awhile. wow rumuninating is that a word? this place is making me smart feeling like the scarecrow. granato could u would u speak a little more on the when, what say u?

 

[magicmarker]

just wanted to bump this thread, I like hp12c's question.