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It's unfortunate but this is NOT his best work...He is "hitting" low cuts and doing his Lee Trevino Model...We need to get some footage of him in the 80's when he was "swinging" like his Sam Snead Model. Yes, he knows both and can do BOTH quite well!!! Then Compare... One of the problems I had early on when I would watch his "PIRATED" videotapes I would get confused because his move was different...then I learned he had 3 different models...then I actually took a few symposiums and learned he had more than the 3 Models...His work was and is constantly evolving...A true Master Learner!!! So if you don't know which model he is executing you would be unfairly criticizing certain aspects of his stroke pattern...Some of the stuff might be intentionally "booby-trapped" Mac's a really, really smart guy...He would give you 99%, but never 100% He is too clever to do that!!!
EdZ...You're probably right...He often wears visors from Cinnabar Hills...
Chris NZ, ....Yes ....It is an very intentional open stance
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EdZ...You're probably right...He often wears visors from Cinnabar Hills...
Chris NZ, ....Yes ....It is an very intentional open stance
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N-A TGM: i've picked up enough MORAD on chat boards to be dangerously ignorant ... could you please explain how the specific motor sets and radial locks are combined to produce the various window mechanics ... also, which MORAD model (in your opinion) is the most efficient in terms of ease of implementation and consistency of results for the average w/end golfer and could you explain how to execute that stroke pattern ... sorry for the length of this question - appreciate your response when you get the chance. thanks
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just to let you know mac is standing with a square stance in the right handed swings and slightly closed in the left handed swings. I have video of the same swings down the line but they are off limits
BantemBen,
I was wrong abput the Stance Line...I wasn't there YOU WERE!!!Sorry for the mistake...However, I DO KNOW these are low ball mechanics and Mac has been on this kick for a while...It used to be Med-Med...But As stated before...Mac is unpredictable especially when he is hitting with you in the picture...He'll change the model while he's hitting behind you...
I'm not an expert on Motor Set...But if you want to know purchase the "Neural Basis of Motor Control by Vernon Brooks...This is one of the resources that Mac used in his research...Enjoy the Reading!!!
By the way the tape of "Radius Lockes" I think if you asked Mac you would get an alarming response...He's aquired a ton more knowledge since that "Dinosaur Tape"
As far as which model is best...Teach what their tendencies are...Just like TGM .if tendency is toward "hitting" then test those components and vice versa for swinging... I believe Homer said Swing the long sticks and Hit the Short ones...Mac would probaly say swing out on the long sticks and come aroung the corner with the shorter sticks...
6Bee1Dee...I have no reason to hide anything...However if you asked me NOT to share any of your photographs...I would not...it's a matter of respecting your request even if I didn't agree...It's a matter od "Honor" ...NOT a matter of conceling...I would hope you would understand ...And anything I have... you are more than welcome to see...You know that for sure...See you soon 6Bee1Dee!
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I was wrong abput the Stance Line...I wasn't there YOU WERE!!!Sorry for the mistake...However, I DO KNOW these are low ball mechanics and Mac has been on this kick for a while...It used to be Med-Med...But As stated before...Mac is unpredictable especially when he is hitting with you in the picture...He'll change the model while he's hitting behind you...
I'm not an expert on Motor Set...But if you want to know purchase the "Neural Basis of Motor Control by Vernon Brooks...This is one of the resources that Mac used in his research...Enjoy the Reading!!!
By the way the tape of "Radius Lockes" I think if you asked Mac you would get an alarming response...He's aquired a ton more knowledge since that "Dinosaur Tape"
As far as which model is best...Teach what their tendencies are...Just like TGM .if tendency is toward "hitting" then test those components and vice versa for swinging... I believe Homer said Swing the long sticks and Hit the Short ones...Mac would probaly say swing out on the long sticks and come aroung the corner with the shorter sticks...
6Bee1Dee...I have no reason to hide anything...However if you asked me NOT to share any of your photographs...I would not...it's a matter of respecting your request even if I didn't agree...It's a matter od "Honor" ...NOT a matter of conceling...I would hope you would understand ...And anything I have... you are more than welcome to see...You know that for sure...See you soon 6Bee1Dee!
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non atgm do you also post at lynns site if so whats your screenname there
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If I posted a swing of me—that looked like Mac's righty swing—a lot of you would rip it.
As far a Lee Trevino models.....Lee has heartburn now, and doesn't know why.
As far a Lee Trevino models.....Lee has heartburn now, and doesn't know why.
Brianman,
I would definitely agree... as stated before this is NOT his best work...
Maybe he was having a bad hair day...I don't like what he's been teaching recently due to the fact it is "Hitting" whether he admits it or NOT...
I appreciate his stuff from the late 80's early 90's ...maybe I don't know enough to appreciate the stuff he's doing NOW!
I do not like all the excessive movement which he calls "Momtentum Transfer" which it is NOT. It is "Translation with Rotation"(Biomechanics language)...the tranfer of momentum doesn't come until later in the sequence order of motion which is;
1.Acceleration Phase 2.Momentum Phase 3. Braking Phase 4. Transfer of Momentum Phase 5. Creation ofTorques( each joint and segment goes though this SOM)...
A swinger uses much more of this type sequential motion ...A hitter use some more simultaneous motion...I know this is described in the release motions but it also applies to the application of force of the entire system.
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I would definitely agree... as stated before this is NOT his best work...
Maybe he was having a bad hair day...I don't like what he's been teaching recently due to the fact it is "Hitting" whether he admits it or NOT...
I appreciate his stuff from the late 80's early 90's ...maybe I don't know enough to appreciate the stuff he's doing NOW!
I do not like all the excessive movement which he calls "Momtentum Transfer" which it is NOT. It is "Translation with Rotation"(Biomechanics language)...the tranfer of momentum doesn't come until later in the sequence order of motion which is;
1.Acceleration Phase 2.Momentum Phase 3. Braking Phase 4. Transfer of Momentum Phase 5. Creation ofTorques( each joint and segment goes though this SOM)...
A swinger uses much more of this type sequential motion ...A hitter use some more simultaneous motion...I know this is described in the release motions but it also applies to the application of force of the entire system.
NONATGM
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When I experiment around, I don't like people watching me. See my last post on MORAD. Perhaps it explains the mediocre shots I saw Mac making.
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NonATGM, did Mac teach arm braking or just lower body? I think the term is misleading in either case.
David Alford,
I always heard "accelerate...very quickly...then brake very quickly!!!" I assumed it was the entire system of joints to take advantage of a maximum transfer of momentum...He didn't specify just the arms ...However, braking the arms at the finish helped maintain the tilts and balance at the finish ala; an ice-skater "checking" to her finish...
I take it you saw the 5 phases listed in the previous post??? that's what I feel he really meant...I could be wrong though...BUT?
I did notice he always shortened everyones backstrokes and finishes NOT to exceed with arms above the plane of the shoulders for BOTH!!! Always felt like TOP of the Delivery Line to stopping at the equi-distance on the Finish...Never to the END around the Top Arc like he used to do in the late 80's and early 90's
As far a the term "Braking" being misleading ...You're right ...Most people assume "stopping" remember when you drive a Porshche you accelerate ...brake to slow down as you go around the "CURVE"(Angular Velocity) to allow momentum to set in so you can just "CRUISE" around the corner ...The system MUST have these series of acceleration and braking to generate a transfer of momentum...
I've done a 3D Geometric figure with one of my "Hooters Tour Players" and our software can measure all the major joints in 3D space...their Range of Motion, Style of Motion, Sequence of Motion, and their Speed of Motion(Both Linear and Angular Velocities) Also, ANY of the relationships of each joint and segment to each other...It's really COOL!!!
The software shows the hips accelerate very briefly ...then settle into momentum...then the shoulders accelerate very briefly then cruise, then the hands accelerate and cruise(Belt Speed), then the clubhead accelerates(Much to most peoples' surprise Peak Velocity is reached just after the Release Point )Then all these momentums are added together and is "transfered" down, out, and forward.
APAS Motion Analysis Software is the name of the system we use at the University...It can analyze anything...we were analyzing a javelin throw, jumpshot, soccer kick, and a volleyball spike in class!... I wonder if Mac used something similar or if it was all "pencil and eraser" as he claims? Do you know ?
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I always heard "accelerate...very quickly...then brake very quickly!!!" I assumed it was the entire system of joints to take advantage of a maximum transfer of momentum...He didn't specify just the arms ...However, braking the arms at the finish helped maintain the tilts and balance at the finish ala; an ice-skater "checking" to her finish...
I take it you saw the 5 phases listed in the previous post??? that's what I feel he really meant...I could be wrong though...BUT?
I did notice he always shortened everyones backstrokes and finishes NOT to exceed with arms above the plane of the shoulders for BOTH!!! Always felt like TOP of the Delivery Line to stopping at the equi-distance on the Finish...Never to the END around the Top Arc like he used to do in the late 80's and early 90's
As far a the term "Braking" being misleading ...You're right ...Most people assume "stopping" remember when you drive a Porshche you accelerate ...brake to slow down as you go around the "CURVE"(Angular Velocity) to allow momentum to set in so you can just "CRUISE" around the corner ...The system MUST have these series of acceleration and braking to generate a transfer of momentum...
I've done a 3D Geometric figure with one of my "Hooters Tour Players" and our software can measure all the major joints in 3D space...their Range of Motion, Style of Motion, Sequence of Motion, and their Speed of Motion(Both Linear and Angular Velocities) Also, ANY of the relationships of each joint and segment to each other...It's really COOL!!!
The software shows the hips accelerate very briefly ...then settle into momentum...then the shoulders accelerate very briefly then cruise, then the hands accelerate and cruise(Belt Speed), then the clubhead accelerates(Much to most peoples' surprise Peak Velocity is reached just after the Release Point )Then all these momentums are added together and is "transfered" down, out, and forward.
APAS Motion Analysis Software is the name of the system we use at the University...It can analyze anything...we were analyzing a javelin throw, jumpshot, soccer kick, and a volleyball spike in class!... I wonder if Mac used something similar or if it was all "pencil and eraser" as he claims? Do you know ?
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Biffer,
Release motios refer to the #2(Left Wristcock) and #3 Accumulators(Left Hand)....the release point can be early...in between...or late....Tom Watson...Jack Nicklaus....Ben Hogan...
The release point is always preceded by a Trigger Type...Shoulder...Right Arm ...Wrist by "Throwing" the lever assemblies etc...But the trigger initiates the release of the power accumulators... then the release point refers to where the overtaking begins of the #2 and #3 Accumulators so ass to settle into a sequenced or simultaneous release motion...Sound confusing ...Good ...I am too...I think...Maybe someone else could explain better than me...in English
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Release motios refer to the #2(Left Wristcock) and #3 Accumulators(Left Hand)....the release point can be early...in between...or late....Tom Watson...Jack Nicklaus....Ben Hogan...
The release point is always preceded by a Trigger Type...Shoulder...Right Arm ...Wrist by "Throwing" the lever assemblies etc...But the trigger initiates the release of the power accumulators... then the release point refers to where the overtaking begins of the #2 and #3 Accumulators so ass to settle into a sequenced or simultaneous release motion...Sound confusing ...Good ...I am too...I think...Maybe someone else could explain better than me...in English
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Denny,
You are keerect...as far as the release of the accumulators...but I was refering to the period of clubhead acceleration where the overtaking process begins...Check out 8-9 TGM ...maybe were saying the samething...BUT maybe were not?
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You are keerect...as far as the release of the accumulators...but I was refering to the period of clubhead acceleration where the overtaking process begins...Check out 8-9 TGM ...maybe were saying the samething...BUT maybe were not?
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