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langer

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Have been working on my spin loft , but am having problems with my angle of attack getting to steep.
How can one take the loft off the club but stop the angle of attack from getting to steep?
 
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cwdlaw223

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You're seeking the holy grail of golf! Very, very difficult. Most people can drive their hands way ahead to stop "flipping", however, when they drive their hands ahead they drive the club into the ground. The ideas about the release go to the heart of your question. A drive/hold release? Not so much. Most drive/holders slam the club in the ground. They can stop the flip, but they screw up their attack angle. This game is hard and I can't imagine trying to figure out impact without an impact measuring device that gives me good feedback about my attack angle.

What you don't want is to try to drive your hands ahead, slam the club in the ground and still flip like this guy:

JeffyFlipping.jpg
 
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cwdlaw223

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Don't be surprised if a new picture surfaces without the flip (but no impact data for the non-flipped shot or how the ball actually went). Funny what you can find by googling the terms "lag impact and golf." The irony of this "evidence" is overwhelming. :D
 
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Kevin Shields

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cwdlaw223 said:
You're seeking the holy grail of golf! Very, very difficult. Most people can drive their hands way ahead to stop "flipping", however, when they drive their hands ahead they drive the club into the ground. The ideas about the release go to the heart of your question. A drive/hold release? Not so much. Most drive/holders slam the club in the ground. They can stop the flip, but they screw up their attack angle. This game is hard and I can't imagine trying to figure out impact without an impact measuring device that gives me good feedback about my attack angle.

What you don't want is to try to drive your hands ahead, slam the club in the ground and still flip like this guy:

JeffyFlipping.jpg
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Weird thing is that's his 4 iron.
 
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ScottRob

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I am aware that an optimal spin loft is achieved by the shaft lean exceeding the angle of attack, but I have enjoyed some success by shaving my shaft lean, but really busting down on the ball. My divots are longer and shallower. No matter how much I seem to hit down, if I minimize the shaft lean, the leading edge does not get to do what leading edges tend to do...namely dig. Am I on the right track? I have struggled to fully understand the difference between shaft lean and angle of attack, they were synonomous ideas for me for a long time.
 
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cwdlaw223

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Why do you believe that shaft lean being greater than AoA is optimal? How do you even measure shaft lean to compare it against AoA? Trackman only "sees" the clubhead. The location of the COG from the leading edge has a lot to do with how lean looks on video. Tons of lean with a wedge because the COG is far back from the leading edge than a driver.

There are ranges of reasonableness for AoA, not sure if one for each club is optimal for all.
 
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