Square Clubface at the top?

[ggsjpc]

If I see or read one more person talk about a square clubface at the top, I think I might lose it. How is it that this arbitrary position got labled as square and not 90 degrees open? Why would 90 degrees open be the most sought after position? Is there something special about it and how it relates to flat left wrists? Did it origiante with the square to square book? Let me know.

 

[Shot Limit]

Maybe cause 90 degrees open is parallel to the plane line? Two parallel lines could be used to form a square. Good question, alot of golf terminology is B.S. you can catch alot on the golf channel.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

It's just a very neutral position; not for everyone but a place to start.

 

[ggsjpc]

It's just a very neutral position; not for everyone but a place to start.

Is it neutral biomechanically or some other reason? Is there an assumption somewhere that closing it 90 degrees in the downswing is the easiest to repeat or that it provides the most power?

 

[Shot Limit]

It's the most comfortable for me. IMO unless you can't close it 90 on the DS it should'nt be a problem. According to NSA slicers should'nt open it that far. I did'nt when I had slice issues but I do it now, just feels easier for me.

 

[dbl]

So assume at the top the player's left hand is on the TSP ala standard down-the-line tgm analysis. Now imagine a plane that is perpendicular to the TSP, kind of angled back over the player's head. The clubface is square to that plane.

 

[ggsjpc]

So assume at the top the player's left hand is on the TSP ala standard down-the-line tgm analysis. Now imagine a plane that is perpendicular to the TSP, kind of angled back over the player's head. The clubface is square to that plane.

I can draw all over the screen to make it square to something. why does it matter?

The curious part to me is the lack of positive reasoning for the golfer. Why is perpendicular to the TSP better than anything else?

 

[ggsjpc]

So assume at the top the player's left hand is on the TSP ala standard down-the-line tgm analysis. Now imagine a plane that is perpendicular to the TSP, kind of angled back over the player's head. The clubface is square to that plane.

Sorry, but I have more questions about this. is the TSP a number or an idea? Should someome have a spine angle that is 45 degrees bent over so their TSP is a certain amount? Does it change because of the length of the club? If so, than shouldn't a square to the TSP also change with each club? If that's the case, than is there no 'one' position that could be called square?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I can draw all over the screen to make it square to something. why does it matter?

The curious part to me is the lack of positive reasoning for the golfer. Why is perpendicular to the TSP better than anything else?

It isn't better than anything else, always ways to customize however imo it's a place to start however you basically tweak that position based on the players preference to clubpath. For instance you wouldn't take someone who swings too far right and put them in the NSA position; they'd be more like what you are talking about or even more left thumb under the club and obviously the other way for someone who swings too far left.

 

[TeddyIrons]

Isn't it just a natural position to be in because the left fore-arm needs to pronate in the backswing to allow the left wrist to cock?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Isn't it just a natural position to be in because the left fore-arm needs to pronate in the backswing to allow the left wrist to cock?

Some need more, others need less.

 

[dbl]

Sorry, but I have more questions about this. is the TSP a number or an idea? Should someome have a spine angle that is 45 degrees bent over so their TSP is a certain amount? Does it change because of the length of the club? If so, than shouldn't a square to the TSP also change with each club? If that's the case, than is there no 'one' position that could be called square?

Well with different length clubs the shaft plane, the elbow plane, and the TSP are all going to vary club to club. So sure a plane square to the TSP varies too. I didn't say there was some point in space to achive. i was just trying to add a mental picture for what the odd but common use of the term square might mean..finding something the clubface might be square to.