Straight Line Delivery Path

[Brian Manzella]

Is it possible to have a straight line effort in different directions and a straight-er path of the hands on the downswing?

I say yes.

What say you?

(and thing else will be deleated on this one)

 

[Flatleftwrist]

Is it possible to have a straight line effort in different directions and a straight-er path of the hands on the downswing?

I say yes.

What say you?

(and thing else will be deleated on this one)

Brian,

I don't understand the question. Are you asking if a straight line effort can exist without a straight line path of the hands?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Brian,

I don't understand the question. Are you asking if a straight line effort can exist without a straight line path of the hands?

Sorry Flat,

I am asking a question I know the answer to already, and I am sure, you do too.

I am making a point to Mandrin.

But, yes I AM ASKING "if a straight line effort can exist without a straight line path of the hands?"

Go ahead, I know you know the correct answer, and you can debate Mandrin.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Even WHEN I am being nice...

Dude, I think paranoid is when someone thinks someone is out to get them, but noone is out to get them.

You are on a mission today.

Please answer my rhetorical question so as to inform Mandrin of what CAN be done.

 

[birdie_man]

He wants a direct answer from mandrin....big deal.

 

[strav]

How do you reconcile with Homer?

Is it possible to have a straight line effort in different directions and a straight-er path of the hands on the downswing?

I say yes.

What say you?

(and thing else will be deleated on this one)

I find it difficult to accept (even with axis tilt) that a portion of the Lever Assembly (the hands) is moving in a straight line when Homer states emphatically that it moves in a circle.

6-A-2. Consider the Left Arm and the clubshaft together as the Primary Lever Assembly
1-L-8. No portion of the Lever Assembly can swing forward independently.
1-L-9. Regardless of how the Lever Assembly is driven, it moves in a circle.

Did Homer give us any exceptions to these principles?

 

[rundmc]

I find it difficult to accept (even with axis tilt) that a portion of the Lever Assembly (the hands) is moving in a straight line when Homer states emphatically that it moves in a circle.

6-A-2. Consider the Left Arm and the clubshaft together as the Primary Lever Assembly
1-L-8. No portion of the Lever Assembly can swing forward independently.
1-L-9. Regardless of how the Lever Assembly is driven, it moves in a circle.

Did Homer give us any exceptions to these principles?

Witcha . . . BUT as B said it is STRAIGHT LINE "EFFORT" . . . THRUST. The Hands will move in a circle because they are attached to your arms which are attached to your shoulders . . . but the thrust CAN BE straight line "effort."

 

[Brian Manzella]

Very good run sir!

Very good indeed.

 

[strav]

We agree

Witcha . . . BUT as B said it is STRAIGHT LINE "EFFORT" . . . THRUST. The Hands will move in a circle because they are attached to your arms which are attached to your shoulders . . . but the thrust CAN BE straight line "effort."

Exactly! but not a straight line path of the Hands. I suspect Brian is having an each way bet by calling it a "Straight-er" path of the hands on the downswing and that's the part of which I'm not yet convinced as it appears to contradict Homer's 1-L-9.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Nope.

I KNOW what happens, you guys....

G.S.E.D. and the D a'int for DUMMY.

The hands NEVER really move in a straight line, but can move in a more DIRECT Line to the ball and you can say that THAT line is Straight-er.

But more importantly, this effort should—like leo pointed out—always be straight, it just might not be AS at the ball, resulting in a hand path that is LESS straight or...we could say...CIRCLULAR.

(PS all of this is for Mandrin)

 

[tongzilla]

More on Delivery Paths

As it has already been stated, it is still a straight line effort even for the Circle Path.

A Straight Line Delivery Path means it's more straight than the Circle Delivery Path. It's not a long dead straight line like you see in those photos in the book. Homer was doing this to make his point loud and clear.

For those who want to explore more, try this:

Make a normal golf swing with your driver.
Specifically in this case, normal means:
shoulder width stance
slight knee bend at address
straight line effort of thrust on downstroke
axis tilt on downstroke
reasonably stable head.

Now try to make your usual swing but set up as follows:
feet together
knees straight
straight line effort of thrust on downstroke

You will be executing a Straight Line Delivery Path in the first example, and a Circle Delivery Path in the second, even though it's a straight line effort for both. Why? Because your lack of knee flex and narrow stance has prevented you from sliding your hips which means you can't tilt your axis. Which means no Straight Line Delivery Path.

Remember, the model in 1-L doens't need to Axis Tilt, so it's "Delivery Path" is always going to be the same.