straight plane line
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In order to have a straight plane line the clubhead needs to betravelling in a circular path. For this to happenn the clubhead moves from inside to square and then back to the inside.....remember that the square part of the circle is also the bottom of the circle, which is give or take a bit under the lead shoulder. The ball is placed before low point so the clubhead is travelling from the inside and the clubface is slightly open at impact and squares at seperation. Once the club the club reaches lowpoint it begins to travell back to the inside agian.
To find out if you are tracing a straigh plane line simply gab a flashlite or laser pointer and hold on to it like a golf club and take some swings. Find a line on the floor in your house (point the lite at the line) and imagin hitting a golf ball down it. As you swing back down towards impact watch the light or laser. If the laser stays on the line then the path is correct. It the laser is comming from the inside or outside you are not tracing a straight plane line.
Even better if you attach a laser from your right index finger and shine it to the line just in front of the sweetspot. This way you see both the straight line and the clubhead path
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To find out if you are tracing a straigh plane line simply gab a flashlite or laser pointer and hold on to it like a golf club and take some swings. Find a line on the floor in your house (point the lite at the line) and imagin hitting a golf ball down it. As you swing back down towards impact watch the light or laser. If the laser stays on the line then the path is correct. It the laser is comming from the inside or outside you are not tracing a straight plane line.
Even better if you attach a laser from your right index finger and shine it to the line just in front of the sweetspot. This way you see both the straight line and the clubhead path
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i thougth this is what it meant. its sumfin like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRTqx4tW3mQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRTqx4tW3mQ
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I don't think so. I believe it's this:
If you stuck a laser where your right shoulder and arm come together, then on the downswing, the laser in the right shoulder should trace the straight plane line.
Mike Jacobs actually has a laser he uses for this purpose.
Leek
I think that you are wrong, and that Goley is right.
One traces the straight plane line with the clubshaft and the right index finger.
Pecky provided a link to a video of Morgan Pressel learning how to trace a straight plane line.
Here is series of capture images showing her tracing a straight plane line.
I have drawn a green-dotted line over her laserlight wand shaft because it is not readily visible.
Here is series of capture photos from a swing video I made of myself tracing a straight plane line while holding a flashlight in my right hand.
The green-dotted line represents the ball-target line and I am tracing that line with my right hand in a simulated swing using only the right hand. If the right index finger's pressure point site (area around first joint) can trace a straight plane line, then the clubshaft will be tracing that straight plane line. In other words, the right hand/forearm is responsible for controlling/directing the clubshaft's path and keeping it on plane, while the left hand controls the clubface.
Jeff.
I think that you are wrong, and that Goley is right.
One traces the straight plane line with the clubshaft and the right index finger.
Pecky provided a link to a video of Morgan Pressel learning how to trace a straight plane line.
Here is series of capture images showing her tracing a straight plane line.
I have drawn a green-dotted line over her laserlight wand shaft because it is not readily visible.
Here is series of capture photos from a swing video I made of myself tracing a straight plane line while holding a flashlight in my right hand.
The green-dotted line represents the ball-target line and I am tracing that line with my right hand in a simulated swing using only the right hand. If the right index finger's pressure point site (area around first joint) can trace a straight plane line, then the clubshaft will be tracing that straight plane line. In other words, the right hand/forearm is responsible for controlling/directing the clubshaft's path and keeping it on plane, while the left hand controls the clubface.
Jeff.
I think you're both right. The experts are the ones to ask about this though...
Paging Brian Manzella/Jim Kobylinski/Mike Finney/Tom Bartlett......
Leek
I think that you are wrong, and that Goley is right.
One traces the straight plane line with the clubshaft and the right index finger.
Pecky provided a link to a video of Morgan Pressel learning how to trace a straight plane line.
Here is series of capture images showing her tracing a straight plane line.
I have drawn a green-dotted line over her laserlight wand shaft because it is not readily visible.
Here is series of capture photos from a swing video I made of myself tracing a straight plane line while holding a flashlight in my right hand.
The green-dotted line represents the ball-target line and I am tracing that line with my right hand in a simulated swing using only the right hand. If the right index finger's pressure point site (area around first joint) can trace a straight plane line, then the clubshaft will be tracing that straight plane line. In other words, the right hand/forearm is responsible for controlling/directing the clubshaft's path and keeping it on plane, while the left hand controls the clubface.
Jeff.
Jeff- I think they achieve different purposes. I do know that's how Brian taught it to me in a lesson, and Mike pointed me to an office supply store to get a suitable laser.
I am pretty sure that when Brian talks about tracing the straight line plane, he means with the trailing shoulder.
Brian or Mike, care to weigh in?
Leek
I can readily agree that there is also an advantage to getting right shoulder to trace the same straight plane line. The primary function of the straight plane line idea is to get the clubshaft to trace a straight plane line so that it remains on plane through the impact zone. By getting the right shoulder to also trace the straight plane line, it makes it easier for the right forearm to be behind the shaft as it approaches impact and it allows the right forearm/right hand unit, and therefore the clubshaft, to more easily trace the straight plane line.
Jeff.
I can readily agree that there is also an advantage to getting right shoulder to trace the same straight plane line. The primary function of the straight plane line idea is to get the clubshaft to trace a straight plane line so that it remains on plane through the impact zone. By getting the right shoulder to also trace the straight plane line, it makes it easier for the right forearm to be behind the shaft as it approaches impact and it allows the right forearm/right hand unit, and therefore the clubshaft, to more easily trace the straight plane line.
Jeff.
Jeff,
I think the grip tracing the straight plane is about path. I believe the shoulder is about pivot, and therefore also path and pivot.
Somthing has to be educated..... and the more education the more force can be applied to the shaft. You can have a clubshaft that is on plane and a right shoulder that is not. You can have the right shoulder on plane and the clubshaft that is not....have both on plane and you achieve the easiest and strongest motion. What i see most is a big throw of the shoulder to start the downswing and then a club and shoulder that is off plane. Get the shoulder downplane ....onplane and the club should get there too.
right, lets just remember, straight plane line means swinging inside to inside. HOW YOU DO THAT doesnt really matter. pivot, right shoulder, hands ... means nothing, in real terms. get the shaft on the correct angle of the club, get the plane line to be straight, hit the ball downwards, and make the face square at seperation. if that happens, it matters not how it ocurrs. trevino, furyk, couples, nicklaus. doesnt matter. straight plane line means inside to inside. meeting the ball so that the face is square at seperation. if the pivot does this, and forces the arms to come in at an angle, the impact plane, which allows gor the other conditions of impact to ocurr. the shoulder is part of the arm unit, and the pivot, so it plays a part. some people feel the shoulder moving makes these conditions happening. some feel its the pivot or just the arms. doesnt matter!!
cnadon
I think the easiest way is to get a presentation pointer laser, tuck it into the joint where your trailing arm and shoulder come together, then trace the straight line plane with it. This will cause the trailing shoulder to move downplane, and if you don't manipulate the club with your hands, will keep the club on plane and on the proper path as well.
I think the easiest way is to get a presentation pointer laser, tuck it into the joint where your trailing arm and shoulder come together, then trace the straight line plane with it. This will cause the trailing shoulder to move downplane, and if you don't manipulate the club with your hands, will keep the club on plane and on the proper path as well.
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