Strong grip or twistaway?

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Bigwill

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As far as the clubface is concerned, does a strong grip effectively do the same thing as twistaway with a more neutral grip?

Are there benefits besides clubface control that the twistaway offers that you can't get from having a strong grip?

How does one affect the swing differently than the other?
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Yes a strong grip COULD substitute for the Twistaway but only AFTER you have learned clubface control and wanted to move to that type of grip for a pattern you've chosen.

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When learning clubface control it's best to do this with a neutral grip. You need to learn how to flatten your wrist, how to rotate the clubface through the ball, how to swivel, etc. This is why a neutral grip with the twistaway is preferred.

If you tried to do the above with a very strong grip you'd hook it off the hook and eventually learn to angle hinge but you really wouldn't have clubface control. You'd just be learning how to control your hook.

Versus someone like me who started with manzella neutral/twistaway i eventually learned all the hinges and have experimented with patterns with very strong grips but instead of trying to control the hook they produce i just angle hinged it and wala, nice fade. No fighting anything.
 
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Bigwill

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So, in other words, a strong grip can work, but it's limiting; doing the twistaway allows more flexibility, and helps you truly learn clubface control through hinge action?
 
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Brian Manzella

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20,000 lessons ahead of 'em...

Lot of teachers have given 25,000 lessons. But most of 'em got the lessons GIVEN TO them.

I got 'em by word of mouth.

How?

I fix 'em faster and better than ANYONE. But, this came (always) after failing one way or another.

Like, this—currently POPular—strong-ish grip. I used to teach a grip to all that was similar.

One day, I tried a SUPER DUPER weak grip on a golfer with an ANTI-rotaion move through the ball.

He improved IMMEDIATELY! I then figured out how to SHOW people a neutral-grip and then when NOT to use it.

This all took YEARS and 1000's of lessons.

I now teach TOTALLY customized grips, and I really feel like the GRIP is a strong point of my teaching.

Strong Grips basically require a totally different through-the-ball move than a "Manzella-Neutral" one. This includes NOT going "wedding ring up."

If you KNOW HOW to FULLY rotate the left arm, you can easily do LESS.


That's why golf's BEST ball-worker is Corey Pavin.:D :cool:
 
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Bigwill

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Do you sacrifice anything (power, consistency) by not doing the wedding ring up move? Or is it just a matter of having the right move for the right grip?
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Bigwill said:
Do you sacrifice anything (power, consistency) by not doing the wedding ring up move? Or is it just a matter of having the right move for the right grip?
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No, it's just a different "type" of full-roll finish swivel.

I used it for a long time until i engrained clubface control. Now my current procedure includes a still full roll of the clubface but the club isn't "up my left arm" as much because i'm moved to a pure swinging type stroke.

Also my left wrist bends a bit sooner than it did before partially because my grip is a hair stronger, but not much more than manzella neutral.
 
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