Strong Grip WITH a twistaway...

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conkanen

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Can anyone take a stab as to why I am hitting dead solid shots with a strong grip and a twistaway move? I would have to say the twistaway is probably more of a Flat Left Wrist at the top...club face definitely not on the movie screen.
Not sure why I tried this but I am in heavy experimentation mode trying to learn as much about my swing as possible. Anyways, I guess I was curious to get people's suggestions on what type of stroke pattern would be giving me these solid shot's given the above parameters. I did some searching on the forum and I guess I would be incorporating an angled hinge or I'd be in hooksville. :p
Thx in advance.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Trevino did it and so did Duval. I have a student that does it too, just remember to angle hinge through the ball and you'll be fine.
 
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Bigwill

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Jim, what type of components are present (or need to be present) in order to make this move successful, besides angled hinging?
 
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conkanen

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Kewl...thx Jim. I have been on this site for almost a year now and been trying different things. It seems like angle hinging is the most natural move for me. I have tried a neutral grip with a full HH with varying degrees of success. Because I only get to play once a week on average (minus a couple golf weekend getaways) I find this this easiest pattern to re-produce. Thank you for the confirmation.

Just another question...does your student have a FLW at the top? or is it cupped? I am pretty sure mine is flat cause I am doing a modified twistaway.
I just got into that habit b/c I was doing the twistaway with the neutral grip for a while ...is there anything wrong with continuing this move with my strong grip?
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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conkanen said:
Kewl...thx Jim. I have been on this site for almost a year now and been trying different things. It seems like angle hinging is the most natural move for me. I have tried a neutral grip with a full HH with varying degrees of success. Because I only get to play once a week on average (minus a couple golf weekend getaways) I find this this easiest pattern to re-produce. Thank you for the confirmation.

Just another question...does your student have a FLW at the top? or is it cupped? I am pretty sure mine is flat cause I am doing a modified twistaway.
I just got into that habit b/c I was doing the twistaway with the neutral grip for a while ...is there anything wrong with continuing this move with my strong grip?
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He has a flat left wrist and a "closed" (relative to his forearm) clubface. He angle hinges through the ball and swings plently left which keeps the ball going straight or slight cut/draw. When he came to me he swung way too far right and had big problems with pushes and hooks due to the plane and clubface.

If anything, just be careful with your plane and with that strong of a grip you want to have this "feel" of the left wrist bending (instead of rolling) after impact. Otherwise you'll have hook problems.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Bigwill said:
Jim, what type of components are present (or need to be present) in order to make this move successful, besides angled hinging?
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A good pivot and a very good plane line (or slightly left) to produce straight balls or slight cuts. Swing too far to the right and you'll have issues.
 
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daniell

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Hi,

My experimentation also led me to a slightly strong grip (25 to 45 deg vs the Manzella neutral) and a 'twistaway' at the top. What felt like twistaway is actually more like a flat left wrist as many has pointed out.

And my ball flight is now straight or slight draw.

cheers,

daniel
 
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conkanen

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Good stuff daniell...this pattern has let me hit the crispest shots I have hit in years. I am actually contemplating buying a 2 iron! lol
That and the fact I can't hit a hybrid with any kind of reliability. :)
 
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Brian Manzella

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The club should work like a club....

What does that mean...

On a plane from release point toward the finish, with straight plane line, a clubface at separation that creates the desired result to match the plane line, a low point in front of the ball, and an angle of attack to produce the desired spin and launch.

Sounds like you found a way to do it.
 
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Brian,
I love those little summaries you spit out. They are GOLDEN and what make you the best read in golf instruction that I've EVER come across. Thanks so much.
 
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dannyc

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angle of attack and low point

brian,
as far as low point is concerned, in a previous thread, you mentioned you understood the idea of an aiming point, but you could better manipulate low point with the manzella matrix. my low point changes from day to day and club to club. i also lauch the ball much higher with less spin than i would like...
i am guessing this means i need my hands more in front with a steeper angle of descent, but i cannot get it...any advice?
 
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zarro

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dannyc said:
brian,
as far as low point is concerned, in a previous thread, you mentioned you understood the idea of an aiming point, but you could better manipulate low point with the manzella matrix. my low point changes from day to day and club to club. i also lauch the ball much higher with less spin than i would like...
i am guessing this means i need my hands more in front with a steeper angle of descent, but i cannot get it...any advice?
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I'm not brian(obviously), but my first guess at what your problem is, without seeing your swing is that you are a flipper. If you are hitting the ball high, but with low spin(w/ the irons I'm assuming) that tells me right away you are a flipper. Learn how not to do that and you'll notice way more consistency and better trajectory.

Oh yeah, I'm that guy with a strong grip that uses the twistaway but can fade the ball on command. My natural shot is a draw, but the fade is an easy shot to hit.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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zarro said:
I'm not brian(obviously), but my first guess at what your problem is, without seeing your swing is that you are a flipper. If you are hitting the ball high, but with low spin(w/ the irons I'm assuming) that tells me right away you are a flipper. Learn how not to do that and you'll notice way more consistency and better trajectory.

Oh yeah, I'm that guy with a strong grip that uses the twistaway but can fade the ball on command. My natural shot is a draw, but the fade is an easy shot to hit.
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HAHAHA, it is now!
 
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conkanen

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Ok...any ideas on how to hit Driver with this pattern? Went back to the range to re-affirm the success I had a couple days ago. Still hitting my best irons in years with great accuracy. However, I am hooking the crap out of the Driver. Any suggestions? I should mention this club has been a struggle all year.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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conkanen said:
Ok...any ideas on how to hit Driver with this pattern? Went back to the range to re-affirm the success I had a couple days ago. Still hitting my best irons in years with great accuracy. However, I am hooking the crap out of the Driver. Any suggestions? I should mention this club has been a struggle all year.
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More than likely you are swinging too far right and hitting the ball with a closed face producing the hooks.

You need to swing more left and get the "feeling" of your left wrist BENDING after impact instead of rotating.
 
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daniell

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I use to have the same problems, i.e. good iron shots and poor driver.

In Brian's Video Lesson #7 on driver, he stresses the importance of a good finish while using a driver. In the recent few weeks, I'm also hitting my driver very well by simply concentrating on a full shoulder turn on the backswing (in addition to the full finish). Not too sure why but maybe it gives me more time to square the clubface on the downswing.

On shorter iron shots, I can hit it well even with a smaller backswing but just not the case for the driver.

So, it's a full shoulder turn in the backswing to a full finish.

cheers,

daniel
 
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